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TheLittleLady
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However, Dr Kaczor does not speak for the Church. He presents arguments, and they are thought provoking, however at this time the Church has not passed judgment on his arguments.
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EnglishTeacher
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Yes, that is true. I did not mean to imply that he spoke for the Church. But neither does the author of the other article who says the only moral option is cutting out the tube. Since (to my knowledge) the Church has not spoken specifically on how to deal with an ectopic pregnancy, it is good to hear from knowledgeable Catholics on both sides who both desire to deal with the pregnancy in a way that accords with Church teaching.
Especially since cutting out a whole fallopian tube can have major consequences on a woman’s fertility if her other tube happens to already be damaged or blocked. There are likely instances where it has to be done; but if it doesn’t, I would hate to see a woman undergo that when it is medically unnecessary because she thought it was the only moral option when it very probably is not in most cases.
Especially since cutting out a whole fallopian tube can have major consequences on a woman’s fertility if her other tube happens to already be damaged or blocked. There are likely instances where it has to be done; but if it doesn’t, I would hate to see a woman undergo that when it is medically unnecessary because she thought it was the only moral option when it very probably is not in most cases.
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TheLittleLady
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...s/rc_pc_hlthwork_doc_19950101_charter_en.html
The full text is not on the Vatican website, however, it can be found here:
https://www.ncbcenter.org/resources/church-documents-bioethics/new-charter-health-care-workers/
According to CNS:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...s/rc_pc_hlthwork_doc_19950101_charter_en.html
The full text is not on the Vatican website, however, it can be found here:
https://www.ncbcenter.org/resources/church-documents-bioethics/new-charter-health-care-workers/
According to CNS:
- Ectopic pregnancy can lead to “serious danger” to the life of the woman and the embryo usually does not survive. “Directly suppressive measures” against the embryo are prohibited while procedures exclusively aimed at saving the life and health of the woman are justified.
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Theo520
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If the fetus has died already, it’s a separate issue without a need for a moral solution.Removing the tube is not the only moral option; I do wish people would stop spreading this assertion.
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JanetF
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And isn’t that the case usually by the time the ectopic pregnancy has been discovered the fetus has perished naturally?If the fetus has died already, it’s a separate issue without a need for a moral solution.
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Theo520
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No, not always. I suspect the Catholic method removes andy doubt though and avoids the issue.And isn’t that the case usually by the time the ectopic pregnancy has been discovered the fetus has perished naturally?
I’m fairly certain Catholic hospitals do a D&C after miscarriage, just not before.
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JanetF
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That I can verify as I have had both 22 years ago. The D&C was recommended to make sure there was no lingering fetal tissue which can cause infection.I’m fairly certain Catholic hospitals do a D&C after miscarriage
Ectopic pregnancies occur so early thought that I had always assumed that at a certain point since there’s no room to grow in the fallopian tube, that the fetus would die, possibly before the condition is diagnosed. Although the surgery is done emergently, I always assumed the fetus was already dead. Granted the fetus doesn’t have to be attached to the fallopian tube to be considered ectopic and there may be “room to grow” in order areas…thus my lack of understanding is apparent.
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Theo520
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If the baby was always dead with an ectopic pregnancy, I don’t think Catholics hospitals would have a problem employing other methods to remove it, just as they will use D&C after a miscarriage.
I’m being logical and trying to recall what I read over a year ago. I don’t know I’m right.
I’m being logical and trying to recall what I read over a year ago. I don’t know I’m right.
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D.Erasmus.R
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This is what I don’t understand about this. The double effect doesn’t apply to methotrexate & salpingostomy because they’re directed towards the baby but the double effect applies to salpingectomy because it’s directed towards the mother. Yet in the Angela Carder case the American Bishops defended a court order for a terminally ill mother to have a c-section(which’s directed towards the mother) that would hasten her death. A treatment applied to the baby that causes foetal death is unjustifiable but treatment applied to the mother that causes maternal death is justified?
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on_the_hill
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Why do you assume that they don’t? Does it fit a narrative that doctors are immoral, or promoting a scandalously secular world view?third question is why do doctors not promote the morally acceptable option(s)?
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Dave27360
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Why do you assume that they don’t? Does it fit a narrative that doctors are immoral, or promoting a scandalously secular world view?
It might have been better if reworded as why do some doctors not give more moral options. Not all doctors are immoral. I am also not trying to promote a scandalous secular world view. The original reason for this thread was to get a correct answer to a woman’s question who was concerned that pro life laws would prevent ectopic pregnancy from being treated.
It might have been better if reworded as why do some doctors not give more moral options. Not all doctors are immoral. I am also not trying to promote a scandalous secular world view. The original reason for this thread was to get a correct answer to a woman’s question who was concerned that pro life laws would prevent ectopic pregnancy from being treated.
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on_the_hill
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I see.
Though I am pro-life, I would oppose a pro-life law that prevented treatment of ectopic pregnancy.
The baby invariably dies from ectopic pregnancy and, from what I learned here on CAF, 93% of the time the baby is dead before the woman feels symptoms.
Though I am pro-life, I would oppose a pro-life law that prevented treatment of ectopic pregnancy.
The baby invariably dies from ectopic pregnancy and, from what I learned here on CAF, 93% of the time the baby is dead before the woman feels symptoms.
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