Ecumania strikes again!!!

[MMLJ]

MMLJ,

You really need to read the full texts and not things you may have cut and pasted from sedevacantist cites that are accompanied by their commentary. It is pretty clear that when you actually sit down and read the entire texts of both documents, they are talking about people longing for the one Church–not longing to create something that is not a reality, but longing for a reality that already exists (even if some do not recognize it).

First of all bub, Genius315, do not make accusations that are outright lies. Second you DO NOT want to know my idea of Cutting and Pasting.

From Ut Unum Sint:

It is only logical that if a document of this import is ambiguous, and it is no matter how you want to re-explain it, you should not use the document in question as proof of itself! That is absurd and deceptive.

In any event, I am game.

From Ut Unum Sint:
“14. All these elements bear within themselves a tendency towards unity, having their fullness in that unity. It is not a matter of adding together all the riches scattered throughout the various Christian Communities in order to arrive at a Church which God has in mind for the future. In accordance with the great Tradition, attested to by the Fathers of the East and of the West, the Catholic Church believes that in the Pentecost Event God has already manifested the Church in her eschatological reality, which he had prepared “from the time of Abel, the just one”.19 This reality is something already given. Consequently we are even now in the last times. The **elements of this already-given Church exist, found in their fullness **in the Catholic Church.”

So full parts exist in the Catholic Church??? This means that parts of the universal Church exist in their entirety in the Catholic Church.
What does this mean to you other than what it says? Ridiculous.

Let us continue shall we:

“In effect, this unity bestowed by the Holy Spirit does not merely consist in the gathering of people as a collection of individuals. It is a unity constituted by the bonds of the profession of faith, the sacraments and hierarchical communion.”

Notice, the full unity of profession of faith and hierarchical communion is already bestowed upon the Catholic Church, which is the realization already in history of the one visible Church.

Notice how you yourself added the word ‘Catholic’ in front of Church? Also notice, that he used the words profession of faith, the sacraments…Should it not be profession of the Catholic Faith, and it sacraments or the Sacraments of the Catholic Church…?

You are incorrect, it is not clear. Different meanings are given for the same issue. Look why not just say, they long for the Truly Universal Church, The Catholic Church that is already founded by Christ who is God, or something to that effect…How hard is that? Do you not get it? That is why so many people are being misled by confusing descriptions, ambiguous statements, …See previous post with regards to salvation and ecumenism.(POST #81)

Obviously the call to unity is not to create something different, but the call of all to communion with the Bishop of Rome in the unity he preserves.

Are you kidding me, it has created something different. As it can be shown that Words and Deeds do not match. Tell me what you think of this, Is this ecumenism:

John Paul II being annointed by Hindu priestess with the pagan “Sign of the Tilak”
http://www.truecatholic.org/pix/jp2hindu.jpg

Pope Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
from the Papal Bull “Unam Sanctam” on
November 18, 1302 stated:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this (Church) outside which there is no salvation nor remission of sin…”

Is this ecumenism with Islam, kissing the Koran a book that denies the Divinity of Christ and the Trinity?


The pictures say it all.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.