Ecumenism with Lutherans

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During Liturgy, we invoke the saints and Blessed Virgin Mary for intercession.

And Mass is required for Catholics, so we all do because Mass is required.

But for private devotions? No private devotion is required, but why skip out on something beneficial for our own good?

Why were we told to pray for one another (in the Bible) when we don’t have to?

Why pray?
 
NuclearReceptor said:
During Liturgy, we invoke the saints and Blessed Virgin Mary for intercession.

And Mass is required for Catholics, so we all do because Mass is required.

But for private devotions? No private devotion is required, but why skip out on something beneficial for our own good?

Why were we told to pray for one another (in the Bible) when we don’t have to?

Why pray?
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I guess you must totally believe that you can pray to people who are dead and in the presence of the Lord. I have not been convinced through Catholic explanations enough to feel that I need to do that. I pray for others all the time. My mom and dad are in the eternal and blessed Presence of Christ and they do not need my prayers.

Thanks for your answer.

Rita
 
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Souls are immortal. Saints hear our prayers because God enables them to hear and respond. Just like God creates and enables us to use our physical ears to hear.

The good we fail to do when we could’ve is our own loss. The good we fail to do for others when we could’ve is our and their losses.

Jesus established His Church and sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church.

But apparently Luther thought he knew better than Jesus and that his interpretations are correct.

Sadly his errors and cynical ways are still ingrained.
 
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Souls are immortal. Saints hear our prayers because God enables them to hear and respond. Just like God creates and enables us to use our physical ears to hear.

The good we fail to do when we could’ve is our own loss. The good we fail to do for others when we could’ve is our and their losses.

Jesus established His Church and sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church.

But apparently Luther thought he knew better than Jesus and that his interpretations are correct.

Sadly his errors and cynical ways are still ingrained.
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Where is this information found?
 
Because God is the source and creator of life. Nothing is possible outside of God. You have ears because God created you.

I thought this was a common understanding among all Christians…
 
Exactly. GOD is the Source and Creator of life. GOD is the One Who hears us when we call upon Him. We do worship among our brothers and sisters in the Church Militant, we receive the Lord’s Body and Blood in and under the bread and wine during the Sacrament of Holy Communion. We receive God’s words of forgiveness during the Absolution given either after Private or Corporate Confession. Our place among the Church Triumphant is already assured and the basis of that assurance is Jesus Christ Himself. We do not ascribe traits to men and women that belong to God alone, yet we honor those who have lived God pleasing lives.
 
Yea, that whole “communion of saints” thing. How unnecessary. Who needs them when we (think) we have God?
 
NuclearReceptor said:
Because God is the source and creator of life. Nothing is possible outside of God. You have ears because God created you.

I thought this was a common understanding among all Christians…
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spedteacherita said:
Souls are immortal. Saints hear our prayers because God enables them to hear and respond. Just like God creates and enables us to use our physical ears to hear.
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God IS the Source and Creator of life…yes.
But you haven’t answered my question. Where is a reference to Saints hear our prayers?

Thanks
Rita
 
Who said that the Communion of Saints was unnecessary? As far as having God goes, one would do well to examine Jesus’ words about " judging a tree by its fruits." Luther didn’t ask to be excommunicated. He had some very real concerns that could have been addressed by a general Church Council and yet he was anathematized for it.
 
Yeah, we do. Of course, those who are desperately trying to prove us wrong will resort to any tactic they can to discredit us. The fact that the Lutheran Movement has endured as long as it has and the strides it’s making globally are testimonies of God’s movement among His people.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I can certainly see that the moderators of the old forum are well and truly missed in this new forum. It certainly is unpleasant to the eyes. I would describe it as painful for the eyes after a very few minutes, actually.
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The looser style will allow Satan to have a freer hand here for sure, but that is no different than most of life, where we have to weigh and judge the fruits of the Holy Spirit, which, I will post again to aid in determining where the Holy Spirit is an is not.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

I hope Lutherans here can separate Catholicism from those who use a title of Catholic. If in doubt look at how the Catholic Church speaks compared to how people here are posting.
 
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spedteacherita,

What do you think happens to the Souls of those who’s body dies? This might be the difference in understanding about the Saints hearing us. Do you believe that God has Angels that hear us and petition God for us?
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I just passed my dentists’ office on the way home from All Saints Day Mass and his roadside sign, which usually has a shout out to his hygienists or a corny joke, reads “Happy Reformation Day 500 Years”. I wonder if I should tell him my teeth are Catholic.
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Don’t do that. You might get some pulled unnecessarily. 😱
 
You don’t accept Church teaching on this matter (or any other for that matter) so I don’t see a point in this…
 
pacloc said:
Do you believe that God has Angels that hear us and petition God for us?
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That would assume God didn’t hear us as well. And if He did, He is “confused” what to make of it and a mere Angel being in the presence of God can “change His mind”.
 
No, that whatever we are capable of doing (e.g., saints hearing prayers, perceiving colors, seeing, etc) is by God granting us the ability.
 
NuclearReceptor said:
You don’t accept Church teaching on this matter (or any other for that matter) so I don’t see a point in this…
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No, right now I don’t accept the Church’s teaching on it but I might if I was given reference to why Catholics believe it. I’m not hardhearted and I appreciate what I’ve learned and sincerely wish to understand where the teachings come from. That’s all.

Thanks and blessings,

Rita
 
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