EDITED: Father [scolded] us this morning -- and we liked it!

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Speaking of denim…my husband wore Sat night dark jeans, dress shoes, a purple shirt, and a sport coat. Was he in the wrong…🍿🍿
Is he a gold miner? I guess the “sport coat” and purple shirt offsets his lack of fashion sense by wearing jeans to Mass. Was he up on the alter trying to pass himself off as a “Eucharistic Minister”? 😉
 
I try to worry about me and my family and not concentrate on what others are wearing. I listened to advice from Scott Hahn on that one. I like to site in the front few pews and say prayers during communion so my concentration is not distracted by who is at Mass or what people are wearing, etc… A Missal helps here because they give some wonderful prayers before and after the Eucharist.
 
Father Patrick started his homily this morning by saying he was going to talk about stewardship, specifically, the stewardship of ministry. Then he started talking about out ministry at Mass, how it begins with what we wear (no ripped jeans), how we respond (no checking our cellphone when we’re supposed to be singing the “Gloria”), etc. He let us have it for fully 20 minutes, ending by telling us how Catholicism isn’t a cafeteria, where we get to pick and choose (where have we heard that before?). We have to take it all, or we aren’t taking anything.

When he stepped down from the ambo, the congregation broke into spontaneous applause. :extrahappy: :extrahappy:

I’ve never seen that happen before 😃
Your congregation burst into applause…?

See… if that were me I would be sitting in that pew thinking: Lord, I have failed but I will try harder. Hardly a time for applause…

The only time I would be applauding is if I was thinking: Oh yeah! Take that all you slackers! It’s about time he put you in your place!!

… sorry but it sounds like the majority feel they aren’t at fault which means you’re unlikely to see any improvement. :\ But that’s just my take.
 
Your congregation burst into applause…?

See… if that were me I would be sitting in that pew thinking: Lord, I have failed but I will try harder. Hardly a time for applause…

The only time I would be applauding is if I was thinking: Oh yeah! Take that all you slackers! It’s about time he put you in your place!!

… sorry but it sounds like the majority feel they aren’t at fault which means you’re unlikely to see any improvement. :\ But that’s just my take.
Mine too, actually.
 
That sounds like a Protestant and not a Catholic. It’s interesting when we getting into the “dress” topic people will say the Protestants dress so nice that they put us to shame…not from the protestants churches I’ve been to. Speaking of denim…my husband wore Sat night dark jeans, dress shoes, a purple shirt, and a sport coat. Was he in the wrong…🍿🍿
Depends on the Protestant denomination, because they sure do run the gamut, from United Pentecostal to laid back, megachurch loosely Southern Baptist affiliated.

Now the Mormons, they’re the ones who put us to shame! 🙂
 
I’m 6’2" and drive a miata. This means I have to take off my boots to drive; they tend to stay in the car overnight. I go to the garage in my socks . . .

A couple of years ago, after I parked at church, I reached for my boots–and they weren’t there.

I found myself serving in my socks . . .i still get tased about it from time to time. . . .

hawk
 
Mine too, actually.
I thought that too. It’s the people who think “he’s not talking about me, I don’t do any of that,” that were probably applauding. The others probably didn’t pay attention or would get angry and not come back.
 
I’m 6’2" and drive a miata. This means I have to take off my boots to drive; they tend to stay in the car overnight. I go to the garage in my socks . . .

A couple of years ago, after I parked at church, I reached for my boots–and they weren’t there.

I found myself serving in my socks . . .i still get **tased **about it from time to time. . . .

hawk
You get tased about it? Wow, the people at your parish must be hard-core 😛 😃
 
To be accurate, BJ-Dave, if you read my post you’ll see I was not showing “ire” at all. Not one word of ire there. Just complete bewilderment and questioning. . .

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I’ll grant you a lack of ire and a love of the denim fabric. However, on the subject of reading posts, if you’ll look at my OP, you’ll see that the reference was to ripped jeans. Father P said nothing good, bad, or indifferent about denim in general, just that respect for God should motivate people to wear something nicer than ripped clothing. I don’t know how things are in your parish, but the people in my parish who wear torn jeans do have better clothing in their closets.
 
Like everything else in life, there should be a middle ground. There was a time not so long ago when people “put on their Sunday best” to go to Church. Taken to the extreme, this could turn the Mass into a fashion show. Who’s hat was nicer? Who wore the most beautiful dress? etc.

Nowadays, however, there seems to be no generally understood standard of dress or behavior other than “whatever we want”. We are like guests at a party who come and do everything possible to indulge to the fullest and draw attention to ourselves by the way we dress, act or respond to others, most especially the hosts.

And therein lies the rub …

This whole subject IMO simply highlights the ongoing effect of the “me” culture on our church life. If it’s OK with me, it’s OK period! And it should always be about me!

No offense, but I find young ladies to be most commonly in this category when it comes to mode of dress in Church. And let’s face it - our culture reinforces that girls in particular need to dress a certain way in order to be seen and heard, and that normally means dressing provocatively. So it doesn’t surprise me that they may find nothing wrong with the way they dress at church. And in some respects, they may be right. But what is wrong is that they do so for the same reasons they normally do so - to draw attention to themselves. And that’s the problem. Not that some of the men may end up glancing, but that attention is diverted to all the "me"s, and not to Him!

Look, I’m a father of a beautiful teenage girl, and I teach Catechism to 7th & 8th graders, so I’m speaking in that light and from my experience with them. My daughter and I have actually discussed this, after she recovered from her dramatic meltdown following my request for her to change outfits one Sunday morning. She now fully understands and admits that her response was not appropriate, nor was her dress. We simply needed to establish some bounds. Its part of parenting!

A former parish priest of ours was a great living example of the greatest of virtues - humility. Our Lord loves those who are humble in life and before God. When we draw attention to ourselves and away from our Lord, especially during Mass, we are far from living up to that standard. FWIW …
 
DG, I would say that we have come to a meeting of the minds, but I have misplaced mine this morning 😛

Yes, Father Pat was emphasizing the structural integrity of the fabric, and not the fabric itself. In fact, there is an older man who serves as EMHC for the weekday morning Masses who sometimes wears jeans (clean and structurally entire), and FP has no problem with that.

Cheers
 
It would seem much more in keeping with Christian values to embrace denim–a fabric first invented for hard-working men in the mines or wherever, trying to support their families.
Not quite.

It was tent fabric.

The Strauss brothers arrived at the gold rush with tons of tent fabric, to find noone had gotten there without one. But the pants were in horrible shape, so . . .
Yes, I’ve met the President wearing jeans. Oh, he was wearing jeans, too. And we were at a nice dinner function.
I used to get grief from some other folks from my boots in the courtroom (for crying out loud, this is Nevada! what are they doing in Eastern shoes?)

I saved the news picture somewhere of the first President Bush dancing at his inaugural ball–in boots & tux.

It did scandalize the gal I used to buy from at Jos. A Banks when I’d come in, buy a couple of good high-end suits, and have them tailored to boot-length rather than flat eastern shoes . . .

🙂

hawk
 
This thread reminded me of a column that was written by my hometown Bishop:

doyorg.ipage.com/files/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=479:bad-manners-at-church&catid=37:bishops-column&Itemid=54
Bad Manners at Church
Written by Bishop George V. Murry, S.J.
Friday, 13 May 2011 00:00
During the last 10 years or so, I have noticed a precipitous decline in behavior at church. For some reason, that decline seems to have accelerated in recent months. Here are some of the horror stories I have experienced or been told about in our diocese.
Last week, while celebrating Confirmation at one of our parishes, I noticed two young people standing in the back of church necking. (No, I am not kidding!) A number of adults were standing around them and some behind them but no one said a word. When I visit parishes on weekends, I often see parishioners chewing gum in church and even coming to Holy Communion chewing gum. At one parish, a woman came to Communion wearing a sweater that said “World’s Sexiest Grandmother.” At another, I watched a teenager who was sitting with her parents text throughout the Mass. One priest told me of a man who came to Communion while speaking on his cell phone.
When I have spoken to some of these people after Mass and asked them about their behavior, I usually have gotten the same response. “I’m sorry; I forgot I was in church.”
The original name for the Memorial Acclamation we say or sing after the Consecration of the bread and wine is “anamnesis.” It is a Greek word that means “to recall to mind.” I think it would be helpful for us to recall to mind where we are when we are in church. A church is the house of God, a temple of the Lord. It is the place where we come to seek peace, quiet and refreshment from the Word and Sacrament of God. When we are in church we should remember that we are in God’s presence and as such, should focus our attention on worship.
The Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ. It is not a symbol of Christ. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church reminds us:
The Eucharist is “the source and summit of the Christian life.” The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch. (CCC, 1324)
Because we are receiving Christ, we should not be chewing gum or talking during Mass, or checking email or texting. Instead we should ask the Lord for his forgiveness and his grace, listen to the Scriptures and worthily receive Holy Communion in order to live lives worthy of our calling as sons and daughters of God.
As adults, we have both an opportunity and a responsibility to teach our young people what is appropriate behavior. A good place to start would be at our parish church. In that way, we can all deepen our prayer and draw closer to Christ as we walk On the Road to Jerusalem.
 
Having been raised by a mother who’s sole purpose in attending church was an excuse to purchase over-priced clothing and wear a hat that is pretty much socially unacceptable in any other situation, these threads annoy the snot out of me. I can’t put my mind around the woman who has her kids done up like the Von Trapp family in matching outfits trying to lecture someone else on modesty. Is there anything more showoffy than that? Mass is supposed to be about God, not style. If someone is payiing attention to what they’re supposed to be paying attention to, they won’t be noticing someone elses clothes.
 
Jesus threw over the tables in the Synagogue. We are withing our rights to speak up and say, cease, or go outside now! True?
I don’t know that we, individually, are within our rights to do that, but I would think that we are certainly within our rights to ask our priests and bishops to do it.
 
At one parish, a woman came to Communion wearing a sweater that said “World’s Sexiest Grandmother.”

For real??? :eek::eek:
I can believe it. One Sunday morning in our parish a man came in and sat on the front row. He was wearing a t-shirt advertising the Salty Dog Cafe. All during Mass (unless I closed my eyes) I was looking at a blatant sexual reference from the early 20th-century blues culture.
 
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