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Can a person actually be forgiven for divorcing a spouse for reasons not outlined in Canon Law who is open to reconciling, if they are happy they divorced and would do it again?
Canon law says: Can. 987 To receive the salvific remedy of the sacrament of penance, a member of the Christian faithful must be disposed in such a way that, rejecting sins committed and having a purpose of amendment, the person is turned back to God.
The Catechism says: (ccc 1459 Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries). Simple justice requires as much. But sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused.62 Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must “make satisfaction for” or “expiate” his sins. This satisfaction is also called “penance.”)
It would seem that since they 1. know a Sacramental Marriage is forever (in the vows they spoke, their spouse spoke, in the Nuptial Blessing and the Final Blessing and have heard it in the Gospels repeatedly) 2. the catechism tells us that Mortal Sin has 3 conditions but it also tells us that the culpability for Mortal Sin still remains if the person is uninformed due to lack of effort - the section never mentioned when discussing Mortal Sin…but one that applies in most cases (ccc 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin."59 In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.) they may very well be in a state of Mortal Sin AND unrepentant. Wouldn’t that make their Act of Contrition a lie to the Priest (not sorry) and their confession invalid, leaving them in Mortal Sin?
It would seem that unless they repent by trying to follow those church teachings they violated and in turn follow those teachings, they would not be “sorry” as stated in the Act of Contrition but actually only have “regret” they had to make the decision to divorce. Canon Law calls for reconciliation when the danger has passed (if there was danger at the time of separation) and the spouse is willing.
Can. 1153 §1. If either of the spouses causes grave mental or physical danger to the other spouse or to the offspring or otherwise renders common life too difficult, that spouse gives the other a legitimate cause for leaving, either by decree of the local ordinary or even on his or her own authority if there is danger in delay.
§2. In all cases, when the cause for the separation ceases, conjugal living must be restored unless ecclesiastical authority has established otherwise.
One can’t be forgiven for stealing money if they say they regret it but refuse to either give the money back or to donate the money (if job is at risk) to another cause. You can’t be forgiven if you have decided to keep the money and spend it because you are not showing true sorrow. Wouldn’t refusing to reconcile and renew the Marriage you admit to have broken, and in fact are seeking forgiveness for breaking, show the same regret but not true sorrow? If not then why even have these sections listed in the Catechism or Canon Law? If you ask forgiveness for adultery with your adulterous partner in the car waiting on your confession to finish before heading to the hotel, you are not forgiven, no matter what the priest says. This is an example used all the time in explaining the Sacrament to show an invalid confession.
Pope Francis is careful in always mentioning returning to God, repenting of sin or admitting sin and returning to following God’s teaching before Mercy…(see his formal documents and formal speeches/Homilies, not casual comments). it is the laity and local clergy who leave that part out, going to mercy first.
This may seem complex but we have many Catholics who are in the above situation and believe they are in a state of Grace. Of course personal opinion has no value and certainly does not remove culpability for the sin since their is no question both spouses knew marriage was forever. They spoke the words.
Of course this leads to other issues such as conjugal relationship and Canon Law, Canon Law saying only a Bishop (not a local priest) can approve Separation with the Bond Remaining (CL1153) and how Canon Law insists on attempting reconciliation when any danger has past, if there was any.
I would be interested in hearing fact based interpretations of the above. Canon Law not being enforced in the US has no bearing on its validity. If the Holy Spirit is protecting our Church (I believe it is) then these passages have an impact on those violating them willfully, no matter what a Priest tells them based on his lack of obedience to the teaching. God also knows our heart in the confessional, when the Priest does not and speaks the words of absolution.
If the above don’t apply please show the passages I have missed showing this.
It causes me to wonder how many are convincing themselves “God Understands” and “God wants me to be Happy” override Church Teaching. It also puts others in jeopardy when they aid in the sin of those divorcing, in opposition to Church Teaching. Sorry for the long post… complicated issue.
Canon law says: Can. 987 To receive the salvific remedy of the sacrament of penance, a member of the Christian faithful must be disposed in such a way that, rejecting sins committed and having a purpose of amendment, the person is turned back to God.
The Catechism says: (ccc 1459 Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries). Simple justice requires as much. But sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused.62 Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must “make satisfaction for” or “expiate” his sins. This satisfaction is also called “penance.”)
It would seem that since they 1. know a Sacramental Marriage is forever (in the vows they spoke, their spouse spoke, in the Nuptial Blessing and the Final Blessing and have heard it in the Gospels repeatedly) 2. the catechism tells us that Mortal Sin has 3 conditions but it also tells us that the culpability for Mortal Sin still remains if the person is uninformed due to lack of effort - the section never mentioned when discussing Mortal Sin…but one that applies in most cases (ccc 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin."59 In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.) they may very well be in a state of Mortal Sin AND unrepentant. Wouldn’t that make their Act of Contrition a lie to the Priest (not sorry) and their confession invalid, leaving them in Mortal Sin?
It would seem that unless they repent by trying to follow those church teachings they violated and in turn follow those teachings, they would not be “sorry” as stated in the Act of Contrition but actually only have “regret” they had to make the decision to divorce. Canon Law calls for reconciliation when the danger has passed (if there was danger at the time of separation) and the spouse is willing.
Can. 1153 §1. If either of the spouses causes grave mental or physical danger to the other spouse or to the offspring or otherwise renders common life too difficult, that spouse gives the other a legitimate cause for leaving, either by decree of the local ordinary or even on his or her own authority if there is danger in delay.
§2. In all cases, when the cause for the separation ceases, conjugal living must be restored unless ecclesiastical authority has established otherwise.
One can’t be forgiven for stealing money if they say they regret it but refuse to either give the money back or to donate the money (if job is at risk) to another cause. You can’t be forgiven if you have decided to keep the money and spend it because you are not showing true sorrow. Wouldn’t refusing to reconcile and renew the Marriage you admit to have broken, and in fact are seeking forgiveness for breaking, show the same regret but not true sorrow? If not then why even have these sections listed in the Catechism or Canon Law? If you ask forgiveness for adultery with your adulterous partner in the car waiting on your confession to finish before heading to the hotel, you are not forgiven, no matter what the priest says. This is an example used all the time in explaining the Sacrament to show an invalid confession.
Pope Francis is careful in always mentioning returning to God, repenting of sin or admitting sin and returning to following God’s teaching before Mercy…(see his formal documents and formal speeches/Homilies, not casual comments). it is the laity and local clergy who leave that part out, going to mercy first.
This may seem complex but we have many Catholics who are in the above situation and believe they are in a state of Grace. Of course personal opinion has no value and certainly does not remove culpability for the sin since their is no question both spouses knew marriage was forever. They spoke the words.
Of course this leads to other issues such as conjugal relationship and Canon Law, Canon Law saying only a Bishop (not a local priest) can approve Separation with the Bond Remaining (CL1153) and how Canon Law insists on attempting reconciliation when any danger has past, if there was any.
I would be interested in hearing fact based interpretations of the above. Canon Law not being enforced in the US has no bearing on its validity. If the Holy Spirit is protecting our Church (I believe it is) then these passages have an impact on those violating them willfully, no matter what a Priest tells them based on his lack of obedience to the teaching. God also knows our heart in the confessional, when the Priest does not and speaks the words of absolution.
If the above don’t apply please show the passages I have missed showing this.
It causes me to wonder how many are convincing themselves “God Understands” and “God wants me to be Happy” override Church Teaching. It also puts others in jeopardy when they aid in the sin of those divorcing, in opposition to Church Teaching. Sorry for the long post… complicated issue.