Educational Background Non Denom Pastors

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Another thing to consider is that many Bible Colleges and Baptist-style seminaries are not accredited at all; there’s a lack of oversight in the curriculum and programming to ensure that it’s sufficient, rigorous, and of high quality.
 
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most young men that felt a “call” to preach/pastor would be mentored by an older pastor. This could go on for several years. The young man would be occasionally asked to preach and studied doctrine and church leadership under the older pastor. At some point, the older pastor would recommend the younger pastor to a church that was in need of a Pastor and the young man would then take that position. It was usually in a small rural church.
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This model certainly seems consistent with the way the Church operated in the New Testament.
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It was so completely like the sermons I hear in my “heretical” church that had the Priest given it in my church I believe the people would have given a standing ovation. Delivery and content.
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Maybe we are not as separated as it seems?
Wannano said:
I am a non-Catholic and have heard some awful preaching over here too.
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Yes, I am sure there is some, but overall, children of the Reformation are much more centered on good preaching, and the ministers tended to be recognized with such a gift, which is nurtured, either formally or informally. Preaching has a more central place in non-sacramental communities.
Wannano said:
Priests and have come to the conclusion that many are actually bored repeating the same liturgies. What do you think of that possibility?
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I have never met one who expressed feeling that way, but I can certainly believe it is possible. We all get on automatic pilot and become unplugged from where we should focus. Think of all the parents who forgot their kids in the car, or forgot to pick them from the daycare?
 
I don’t know where you’re at, but that’s normally to keep people from coming into the building and vandalizing or stealing things when nobody is there. Even the Catholic church here isn’t open “24/7”. My wife asked me to stop and drop off something after work one day and it was locked up tighter than Alcatraz.

Side note, our non-denom church back home was open 8-5 during the week as the pastor was there.
 
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The Apostle Peter seemed to have positive results, but for all I know maybe he had a PhD.
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He had years at the feet of the Master who “taught with authority, and not like the scribes,” not to mention the benefit of private instruction. That was followed by a retreat with Our Lady between the Ascension and Pentecost. His advocate at his oral exams was the Holy Spirit.

Yeah, he had an enviable education.
 
TC3033 said:
Side note, our non-denom church back home was open 8-5 during the week as the pastor was there.
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That’s the key to the situation. Churches that have a lot of activities and people on the premises all day- keep the doors open.
 
We are in the process of converting to Catholicism. My husband resigned from his position as senior pastor in September in order that we can convert but he is still considered an ordained minister and elder in the Church of the Nazarene.it took him many many years of study and training and classes to become ordained. He has a masters in ministry and then he had to take many theology classes. He was required to be in full-time ministry for several years before he became an elder / ordained.

Obviously as we are converting to Catholicism, we have decided that we believe in the Catholic churchas Christ’s true church, but it is not true that pastor there’s of all other denominations have little training. It is also untrue that all Protestant ministers take the Bible completely literally.
 
There are often a lot of cars there. I first learned of this church when I went there for Recovery Inc. meetings.
 
The UCC minister I talked to near here a couple of times doesn’t believe in the Bible literally. The Lutheran LCMS Church nearby does. I assume the Baptist churches and Presbyterian one does.
And this church does.
 
Hope1960 said:
Another problem is that they take everything in the Bible as historically and literally.
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You’ve mentioned this many times in the threads you’ve started. I suggest that they they don’t mean what you think they mean. You should ask them to clarify what they believe rather than extrapolating and assuming based on a one sentence response.

Also, as others here have testified, non-denominational and other protestant pastors are generally very well educated.

So, two things:
  1. Ask for more clarification from your favorite non-denom church. Be specific in what you are assuming they mean about believing the bible, and ask them to elaborate. What they believe is probably not that different from what you believe.
  2. You might be happiest and at the greatest ease if you can find a Catholic Charismatic Renewal group in your area. They are going to operate more closely to what you see at the non-denom church. They will likely have the (Holy) spirited worship you like, and I would guess more emphasis on preaching from the bible.
 
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We’ve talked in several emails, on the phone and once in person. I don’t think I’m misunderstanding him, but just to be certain, I just emailed and asked him if they believe in a young Earth, Adam and Eve appeared as adults and the Flood covered the whole Earth? We’ll see what he says.

As far as Charismatic Catholicism, I definitely don’t want to become involved in that. I went to two Life in the Spirit seminars. That was enough for me. Don’t like it when people talk in tongues.
 
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The young earth goofiness is just silly. I seriously doubt they buy into that. I don’t know anyone who does.

Regarding Adam and Eve and the flood, what does the Catholic church say about the reality of those things?
 
Are you serious? Some people ON HERE believe in a young Earth!

As far as the other two questions, as you probably already know, we’re allowed to believe in Evolution and that the Flood didn’t literally cover the entire Earth.
 
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PLeeD said:
The young earth goofiness is just silly. I seriously doubt they buy into that. I don’t know anyone who does.
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HUD Secretary and noted neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson is a young earth creationist.

You can certainly have your own views on this, but holding to it doesn’t make one “stupid”.
 
“I don’t know anyone…”, as in knowing anyone personally. People who go to my non-denomination church, or family members, or coworkers. I don’t know anyone who believes that.

Sorry I tried to have a conversation with you. You seem more interested in arguing than improving your situation. Maybe your local non-denoms are getting that vibe too.

Also, as you probably know, catholics are not allowed to believe in Darwin-style evolution, only in an intelligent design sort of evolution. This is my own personal belief BTW.

Also, from catholic.com, “It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction.” So I really don’t get your hang-up on this literal bible belief question.

For me, on these sorts of questions (Adam, flood, young earth…) I assume that God could have done it exactly as it’s written. Or, he could have done it different in reality, but Genesis captures the idea of what God did. I don’t lose sleep over which it is. I have opinions, but that’s all they are… my opinions. Dr. Carson is entitled to his. None of us will know for sure until this life is over. None of it bears on our eternity.
 
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PLeeD:
The young earth goofiness is just silly. I seriously doubt they buy into that. I don’t know anyone who does.
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HUD Secretary and noted neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson is a young earth creationist.

You can certainly have your own views on this, but holding to it doesn’t make one “stupid”.
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I never used the word “stupid”. You did. I’ll characterize YEC as silly all day long because I think it is.

I can simultaneously believe it’s silly, but not have a problem with someone who does believe. God certainly could have done it in 6 days if he wanted to. I just don’t see any necessity to believe that he did.

The point was that the OP seems ready to disqualify those non-denom leaders in her area if they hold to YEC. If they are doing a modern praise and worship service with lights, video, and fog, then I’m pretty sure they’ve “evolved” beyond that (pardon the pun).
 
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I don’t know about other priests, but ours has 8 years of college.
He’s a young guy too.
 
One last thing and I’m out…

I don’t believe in YEC, I believe creation occurred via an intelligent design style evolution directed by the hand of God. I figure Adam and the flood happened pretty much as written. Those are my opinions. There is no way for me to know what is the right answer, and in the end it doesn’t really matter to my trust in Jesus.

I only write this to say that, if I was surveyed and asked:

Do I “take everything in the Bible as historically and literally” true?

I would certainly say yes. That doesn’t mean that I believe in YEC, or care whether the flood covered the whole earth, or care whether the story of Adam happened word for word as written in Genesis. There are bigger fish to fry.

My guess is your local non-denoms have a similar attitude. Good luck in finding your way.
 
He responded. He said that he believes God created the earth and Adam and Eve the “ages He wanted them to be.” And that he “leans more towards a young earth but I don’t think anyone can know with 100% certainty. I take the Bible for what it says and I believe it is the literal Word from God.”
 
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