EF: preparation and other rules

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Hello,

A family friend of mine goes to the EF Mass and told us that there still is a 12 hour fast (I think) before receiving The Eucharist. I am a beginner and am not aware of every difference. Can anybody give me any other rules of which I am not aware?

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fish90
 
There is no difference. The rules for the Eucharistic fast are common for both the EF and the OF. The midnight fast was reduced to 3 hours by Pius XII, and the 3-hour fast was reduced to 1 hour by Paul VI. People are, of course, free to observe a stricter fast, but that would be a matter of personal choice rather than one of law.
 
This question seems to be resolved, so I have another dietary question. I know that before VII no meat was eaten on any Friday, be it Lent or not. That changed after VII and now meat is only forbidden during Fridays of Lent only. However, I recently heard that Vatican II never changed those rules and they are still in effect. So what’s is the rule regarding meat on Fridays now days?
 
coolduude said:
This question seems to be resolved, so I have another dietary question. I know that before VII no meat was eaten on any Friday, be it Lent or not. That changed after VII and now meat is only forbidden during Fridays of Lent only. However, I recently heard that Vatican II never changed those rules and they are still in effect. So what’s is the rule regarding meat on Fridays now days?
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According to canon law, no meat is allowed on Friday. However bishops (at least in the US) have determined that outside Lent, an appropriate penance can be substituted for Friday meat abstinence.

Also, fasting is only required on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. No more semi-abstinence on other days in Lent, or Ember Days for that matter.
 
fish90 said:
Hello,

A family friend of mine goes to the EF Mass and told us that there still is a 12 hour fast (I think) before receiving The Eucharist. I am a beginner and am not aware of every difference. Can anybody give me any other rules of which I am not aware?

Best,
fish90
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Theres a few to mention, dietrey questions have been answered so I’ll go through some of the differences.


  1. *]you MUST receive the Eucharist kneeling and on the tongue, and only the Host is distributed to the faithful
    *]If it is a Low Mass, the faithful are not required to respond to what the Celebrant says, only the server must respond (and infact is the) only one that has to hear the Priest
    *]There are Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, the Mass doesn’t really begin untill the Kyrie.
    *]Ad Orientum, the priest rarely faces the people, normally only for a split second to say “Dominus Vobiscum” or “Oratre Fratres”
    *]The last Gospel, John 1 is read at the end of Mass, in Latin
    *]We’re in “Pre-Lent” in the EF Calender, the Mass begins to look like Masses in Lent i.e no Gloria and Purple Vestments
    *]There are different categories of Mass in the EF and they are :- Low Mass- all spoken, very low tone, Dialogus Mass-generally still a Low Mass but the faithful respond to the Priest, Missa Cantata-Sung Mass, it is basicly a High Mass (ill explain in a second what this is) but with only one Priest, Solemn High Mass- All the incense, chanting, faithful responding, always done at the High Altar, 3 Priests were required (Subdeacon, Deacon and Celebrant)
    *]Big thing that gets many people confused, do NOT say Amen when receiving the Eucharist, the Priest does it for you in his blessing
    *]You can not receive a blessing from the Priest during Communion, only approach the Communion rail if you are receiving the host
 
I love the Latin Mass. I am trying to learn pronunciation. Some of it I do know because I know some Spanish.

How do you kneel if there is no communion rail?
 
On the floor. I have to do this on ocassion when I’m at an EF Mass in an OF parish where there is no rail. I’m 71 so I think most folks can handle it. If you physically cannot kneel then just stand and receive on the tongue.
 
Many churches and chapels use prie-dieu kneelers for people to kneel and receive communion. Some reserve the front pew for people to enter, kneel for communion, then immediately exit, making way for the next group.
 
Skeptic92 said:
Theres a few to mention, dietrey questions have been answered so I’ll go through some of the differences.

There are Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, the Mass doesn’t really begin untill the Kyrie.
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It begins with the Introit, actually, which is just before the Kyrie.
 
I don’t know what technically constitutes the beginning of the Mass but there’s a lot that is prayed prior to the priest’s Introit. If there is no sprinkling of the water (“Asperges Me”), in my parish the Introit is sung by the choir as part of the processional. As soon as the priest appoaches the altar, he recites the sign of the cross, then he exchanges Psalm 42, the Confiteor, the “Deus tu conversus” with the servers, then recites the “Aufer a nobis” and the “Oremus te” prayers as he steps up to the altar. Then the Introit.
 
corsair said:
On the floor. I have to do this on ocassion when I’m at an EF Mass in an OF parish where there is no rail. I’m 71 so I think most folks can handle it. If you physically cannot kneel then just stand and receive on the tongue.
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I don’t really have anything to add to this thread, I just wanted to commend you for this. Seeing the elderly and/or those with handicaps find a way to intimate the same level of reverence expected in general is quite a humbling sight to see, and though you might not think much of it I guarantee you that other young punks such as myself do take notice and it changes the way we receive. I’m a convert so initially I knew nothing of the EF or kneeling for reception for that matter. It wasn’t until I saw an 82 year old woman set her walker aside (with the help of others, of course) and kneel to receive on the tongue that it dawned on me how incredibly arrogant it must seem for me, a healthy 24 year old to casually walk up and stick out my hands as if I were entitled rather than privileged.

Thank you to you and all the older Catholics out there who are keeping the tradition alive so that us young neophytes might pass your legacy forward.
 
Chatter163 said:
Many churches and chapels use prie-dieu kneelers for people to kneel and receive communion. Some reserve the front pew for people to enter, kneel for communion, then immediately exit, making way for the next group.
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I have always received COTT. Do all of the Latin Masses have only the priest distibute communion or is there EMHC as well?
 
Chatter163 said:
No, the Mass begins with the prayers at the foot of the altar. Check any missal.
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Well, officially, yes, in the Missal it does begin with the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar. But there are a lot of people out there who say that the Mass properly speaking, at least historically, starts with the Introit. In fact the FSSP priest here said that’s why the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar are truly at the foot - the priest stands and the servers kneel on the floor below the first step. For the rest of the Mass, the priest is on the footpace and the servers are (pretty much) on the first step, not the floor. (Exception would be the Leonine Prayers after Low Mass - also not part of the Mass proper. Also of note is that all the prayers before the Introit are omitted on a few certain occasions.

I wish I had some sources clearly explaining this one way or the other historically.
 
xixxvmcm85 said:
I don’t really have anything to add to this thread, I just wanted to commend you for this. Seeing the elderly and/or those with handicaps find a way to intimate the same level of reverence expected in general is quite a humbling sight to see, and though you might not think much of it I guarantee you that other young punks such as myself do take notice and it changes the way we receive. I’m a convert so initially I knew nothing of the EF or kneeling for reception for that matter. It wasn’t until I saw an 82 year old woman set her walker aside (with the help of others, of course) and kneel to receive on the tongue that it dawned on me how incredibly arrogant it must seem for me, a healthy 24 year old to casually walk up and stick out my hands as if I were entitled rather than privileged.

Thank you to you and all the older Catholics out there who are keeping the tradition alive so that us young neophytes might pass your legacy forward.
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Seconded, though I am a 25-year old neophyte (as opposed to 24).

I hope the EF will spread !

Pax Christi,
Tim
 
Bbigam said:
Well, officially, yes, in the Missal it does begin with the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar. But there are a lot of people out there who say that the Mass properly speaking, at least historically, starts with the Introit. In fact the FSSP priest here said that’s why the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar are truly at the foot - the priest stands and the servers kneel on the floor below the first step. For the rest of the Mass, the priest is on the footpace and the servers are (pretty much) on the first step, not the floor. (Exception would be the Leonine Prayers after Low Mass - also not part of the Mass proper. Also of note is that all the prayers before the Introit are omitted on a few certain occasions.

I wish I had some sources clearly explaining this one way or the other historically.
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I am well aware of that fact, but the fact remains that the Order of Mass for the EF begins with the prayers at the foot of the altar. That penitential rite is what begins the Mass, and to suggest that the Mass does not begin here is misleading, no matter what historical anomalies exist.
 
Bbigam said:
It begins with the Introit, actually, which is just before the Kyrie.
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Ahhh, i forgot about the Introit, i thought that was just after the Kyrie, arrwell it’s an easy mistake to make.
Chatter163 said:
No, the Mass begins with the prayers at the foot of the altar. Check any missal.
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Hmm, I serve the Old Rite of the Mass, during my training, Our Priest and MC of our diocese, that the Prayers at the foot of the altar, are preparatory prayers for the Mass, asking that Christ make us worthy to mount the Altar, and to celebrate (or serve) the Mass, and since they were not said upon the Altar, they are not truly part of the Mass, but preparation for the Holy Sacrifice of our Lord.
 
Doesn’t the “In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sanctis” start the Mass in both the OF and EF? As well as the sermon proper, for that matter?
 
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