Effect of using Latin

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When you ever attend a Latin OF, you might be a little surprised as to the enthusiastic response to the prayers. Especially if it’s said by the Pope. 🙂
Yes. I was there too. You were probably told later that you didn’t know what you were saying and you believed them and were sold the vernacular instead. Seems that calculators were sold on almost the same marketing ploy – that people didn’t understand long division, square roots, multiplication, etc. so they didn’t have to do them anymore. The only difference is that calculators are generally accurate; translations are very seldom accurate.
fall fox
Really ?? Is that what happened ?? So someone came along and said you really don’t understand what you are saying and magically the knowledge of speaking and understanding Latin vanished from our minds. Is that what happened ?? And in high school when a priest came to a group of us that served mass in the chapel there and said that what we were saying was gibberish, that we needed to work on pronunciation of the Latin, we couldn’t have known because we had already lost the ability to understand Latin.
W O W ! ! ! What A SCENARIO ! ! !

So, if you are from my generation, did you understand Latin? I believe that you must have been one of the exceptional few that did learn it. For us it was Church language, sure we understood some or even a lot of what the words meant, but it sure didn’t mean we could speak Latin.

I’m sorry, but I need to pull away from here. I feel you are focusing on an unimportant facet of our faith. I would rather work to make the adoration of our Christ as fervent as I can. To me that would be working on the Liturgy Committee to make the belief in the real presence stronger in our Church. I would hate to take a pole to find out who really believes that Jesus is present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Holy Eucharist.
 
I’ve seen this claim so many times from “the old guys” but I don’t understand it at all. All of the kids who serve for the Latin Mass now know what they’re saying, so why didn’t you guys figure it out back then? It just doesn’t make any sense to me.
fall fox

If the kids that serve for the Latin Mass know what they are saying thats great! I’m sure they were encouraged to do that, or it was a requirement to become a server. That wasn’t the case with us, all we were to do was to learn (say) the responses at the proper times. There was a lot of moving around, like taking the Missal from the right side of the Alter and take it to the left side. At the Consecration when the Priest would elevate the Host, then the Cup, we were to raise the bottom of the chasuble up, so it wouldn’t pull on his shoulders I suppose. There were so many nuances to the Mass then for us to remember, even at a weekday Mass.
It wasn’t just the alter boys, it was everyone, I don’t remember anyone saying they were learning the Latin. I was also in the chior, and again we didn’t learn the Latin.
Things were so differant then, no one was encouraged to learn the Latin. We weren’t encouraged to read the Bible either, in fact, you could say we were discouraged from reading it.
The Church didn’t want us to be inturpreting the Bible on our own. That isn’t such a bad idea right now. I go to two Bible study groups, one is with a priest in attendance and the other is without a priest. Some of the things that are said in the study without the priest are sometimes off the mark.
 
One can pray with any action, even silence. Intentions are more important than sound waves.
This is true, but by doing it this way one would lose many of the desirable effects of using a written prayer at all.
 
Protector;8388300:
Now that information is truly disappointing “fall fox”. I saw on TV about 12months ago that the Vatican had employed (?) a man whose sole job was to keep the Latin language alive. Is he now redundant?

fall fox

FYI, we were taught in Catholic grade school and high school that Latin was used in the Mass because it WAS a dead language. As you know, all language change with usage and the passing of time. Not so with Latin, It is a language that cannot change because it is not being used as a language by anyone. That is why it will always be kept as our base in the Roman Rite
The revised Mass that we will begin to use on Nov.27.is an excellent example, they went back to the Latin Mass to correct some wording and to clarify some wording in the Mass. It all goes back to the Vulgate Bible that St.Gerome translated from Greek.
As long as new things are being produced in Latin, it can’t really be a dead language.
 
If the kids that serve for the Latin Mass know what they are saying thats great! I’m sure they were encouraged to do that, or it was a requirement to become a server. That wasn’t the case with us, all we were to do was to learn (say) the responses at the proper times. There was a lot of moving around, like taking the Missal from the right side of the Alter and take it to the left side. At the Consecration when the Priest would elevate the Host, then the Cup, we were to raise the bottom of the chasuble up, so it wouldn’t pull on his shoulders I suppose. There were so many nuances to the Mass then for us to remember, even at a weekday Mass.
It seems as if the biggest complaints come from those who thought the Mass went too fast and was over in 15 minutes. Now you’re saying there was too much to do and too much Latin?

I see that you fail to see the significance of the epistle side and gospel sides of the altar. I can understand why the rest of the Usus Antiquior must have been quite a burden for you.
 
fall fox;8391662] FYI, we were taught in Catholic grade school and high school that Latin was used in the Mass because it WAS a dead language. As you know, all language change with usage and the passing of time. Not so with Latin, It is a language that cannot change because it is not being used as a language by anyone.
Rather similar to Koine Greek, would you agree?

Thanks for the concise explanation of the process of language change.

Protector.
 
If the kids that serve for the Latin Mass know what they are saying thats great! I’m sure they were encouraged to do that, or it was a requirement to become a server. That wasn’t the case with us, all we were to do was to learn (say) the responses at the proper times. There was a lot of moving around, like taking the Missal from the right side of the Alter and take it to the left side. At the Consecration when the Priest would elevate the Host, then the Cup, we were to raise the bottom of the chasuble up, so it wouldn’t pull on his shoulders I suppose. There were so many nuances to the Mass then for us to remember, even at a weekday Mass.
It’s not that the altar boys are actually studying the Latin language (although I suppose some are, perhaps), but when they learn the prayers they are supposed to say, they study them from a sheet with the Latin on the left and the English meaning on the right, so they learn what the prayers mean.

The rest of it is the same as you describe: move the missal (and some other things) around the altar as necessary, lift the chasuble and incense the sacrament at the consecration, ring the bells at the proper times, hold candles for the gospel, bring the water for the lavabo, etc. etc.
 
I think the fuss about Latin is misdirected. Once you get the idea that the Mass ‘is not all about you’, using Latin makes much more sense.

I now think that trying to use the Mass to get lay people more ‘involved’ is doomed to fail. Geeing up the laity is not its primary purpose. Directing the action at them also works against continuity and a sense of the sacred.
 
It seems as if the biggest complaints come from those who thought the Mass went too fast and was over in 15 minutes. Now you’re saying there was too much to do and too much Latin?
I see that you fail to see the significance of the epistle side and gospel sides of the altar. I can understand why the rest of the Usus Antiquior must have been quite a burden for you.
You are quite right in what your saying, I did make it sound like a burden, nothing could be further from the way I felt at the time. I loved serving mass and I still do. I don’t remember saying there was too much Latin, there was quite a bit but I didn’t conceder that a bad thing. I liked the feel of the Latin mass and when it was changed to English, there was an essence that didn’t seem to make it through the change. I want that back and I hope the revised mass will be able to bring that back. As fond as I was being a part of the Latin mass, I still don’t want it back. After reading about the new mass, it makes me think that was one of the goals with this change.
You have a sting ProVobis.
 
EWTN is using the New Mass. They are just doing it with more Latin as Vatican II asked for:

Also, the Pope has called for more Latin in the New Mass:

So I would say that EWTN is thinking with the mind of the Church.

Beyond, that, once you start “banning” Latin, you automatically cut yourself off from the liturgical music treasury of the Church…which is all in Latin. People in the pews are fairly ignorant of the beautiful hymns that have been sung in Catholic churches for over a millennium, and this is because parishes have widely ignored what Vatican II called for. They quickly put in cheesy guitar music, Protestant hymns, or some New Age music that has very little theological substance. Now you have a whole generation of Catholics that have no link with their Catholic ancestors other than by name. Many don’t even believe Catholic dogma, so their beliefs don’t even unite them.

I agree with the Pope: start reclaiming a “Catholic” identity.
As a music minister that plays ‘cheesy’ guitar music from the Gather book or New Age music that is approved as liturgically correct by the Church and included in the Gather book, I am saddened by your personal attack coloring your opinion.

Since your post is opinion with very little fact, I would like to respond in kind. I am a converted Catholic, so please bash me with the other like opinions I read from some time to time (though not every ‘cradle’ Catholic shares those opinions.

I do not know Latin, am not trained in it, did not learn it as a child and what few words are explained to me cannot with my lack of training and experience/exposure to the language use it to help me understand virutually nothing about my Lord, the history of His people, or his plan for me. (sorry for the long sentance). At one point the Holy Spirit enabled a chosen few to proclaim the good news in each person’s native tongue. If it was good enough for the Lord back then to reach the populace, why is Latin the ‘only’ way to do this correctly today?

I understand that you lose something in translation. No amount of education will every help me to understand the original language and relate it to my life today so that I can better understand the Latin translations of the original languages used at the time of Jesus.

Do the best you can with English, pray for me the God will lead me, help me all you can - please. Also, when I praise the Lord, in anyway my heart moved with Love for him is motivated to do, please do not describe it as ‘cheesy guitar music’ or ‘pop slop’ or any of your hurtful derogatory labels. Latin hymns to me are boring - there I said it. Not only the lack of good understanding of the meaning, but the tunes themselves. Why is this music better than others. It is human nature to like what you grew up with, what you were taught to appreciate when young. I seriously doubt God instills a special grace upon you or draws your heart closer to Him just because you are singing or listening in Latin.

I do appreciate recent posts that state the Church is more concerned about TOO MUCH of an emotional response to music, where the music becomes the focus, not the prayer it contains. It was a more difficult and fine point to see in where what certain music can cause this distraction - but I think I understand it better now and look carefully for examples of this - so that we can avoid it. Yes, I already undestand music ministry is to assist the celebrant by leading a certain prayer musically at his direction.

Remember more recently when we were told we could no longer sing/pray/say ‘Jesus Lamb of God’ but now have to sing/say just ‘Lamb of God’. I read the rationale which was so esoteric I can hardly remember it. Such a small change - what has it done to draw the people closer together, to help encourage a deeper relationship with our Lord, to honor him in a significantly better way?

I will not give up on my church, but I do not feel that much of what you said here or that sometimes operational decisions by the Church do all that much to further the ultimate goal of the Church - which I believe is passage into the loving arms of my Lord at my death?
 
I think the fuss about Latin is misdirected. Once you get the idea that the Mass ‘is not all about you’, using Latin makes much more sense.

I now think that trying to use the Mass to get lay people more ‘involved’ is doomed to fail. Geeing up the laity is not its primary purpose. Directing the action at them also works against continuity and a sense of the sacred.
I do not mean this in a selfish way, but if the Mass is not all about me, then what is it for. If the celebrant had no congregation to say Mass for, then why would the Mass exist? Actually in our Church the priests have controlled it very tightly, of course, but involving the people more directly and specifically has improved their understanding and appreciation of the entire Mass.

Of course! the Mass is not to promote me or any individual - it has many purposes including the conference of graces through our worshiping the Lord and recieving his sacrafice. I fail to see how using more of a language that I do not think in helps make the mass make more sense, or what is your meaning here?
 
If the celebrant had no congregation to say Mass for, then why would the Mass exist?
All Masses and sacraments are for our benefit and we obtain graces, whether we understand them or not. Babies don’t understand their own baptisms, for example. And, just like many English Bibles, many may recognize the words but they don’t understand the meanings, so they have to go to other sources to understand them. So what’s wrong in studying Latin or Greek to better understand the English or Polish or French? Sure, the translations have benefits but they are very subjective and certainly don’t tell you all. Where’s the beauty of an Italian opera if all the Italian is cut from it? 🙂
 
I do not mean this in a selfish way, but if the Mass is not all about me, then what is it for. If the celebrant had no congregation to say Mass for, then why would the Mass exist? Actually in our Church the priests have controlled it very tightly, of course, but involving the people more directly and specifically has improved their understanding and appreciation of the entire Mass.

Of course! the Mass is not to promote me or any individual - it has many purposes including the conference of graces through our worshiping the Lord and recieving his sacrafice. I fail to see how using more of a language that I do not think in helps make the mass make more sense, or what is your meaning here?
Hi Dave

First time poster. If I may respond to your questions/statement above:

The primary purpose of the Mass is to give worship and glory to God. Secondarily it is about what we (creatures) receive from it (graces and the like). It is well explained in the Baltimore Catechism. Here is a link to the appropriate section:

ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/BALTEUCH.HTM

Lesson 27 is titled ‘The Sacrifice of the Mass’. In particular No. 361 talks about the purposes for which the Mass is offered but the whole lesson gives a great and clear overview.
  1. With all due respect, the use of latin is not about making the Mass ‘make more sense’ to you. It’s a liturgical language, the official language of the church (as stated above I think). The place to learn about the Mass and what is taking place there is from a catechism. That’s the best way to get the most clear and concise information.
One of the great strengths of using Latin was that it was one of the elements that provided a sense of universality that having the modern mass in the vernacular has largely lost (not only because of that but at least in part). It did not matter where in the world you went, when you entered a church and took part in the Tridentine Mass you prayed as one with a vast array of Catholics, praying the same Mass handed down over the centuries for which the saints had given their blood to defend, hearing the same words being spoken (in Latin :)), knowing when to bow your head, kneel, stand, etc. It was the same Mass wherever you went and this gave a great sense of the certainty and constancy that the true faith (ours :)) possesses.

Also due to it being the same Mass everywhere throughout the Latin Rite church and in that universally used liturgical language, that gave a powerful witness to the unity of faith, belief and practice among Catholics to those not yet part of the church. And I think that anything that helps us in our mission to convert all peoples and nations to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic faith has got to be a good thing. 😉

Hopefully that stayed mostly on thread 🙂

Kind regards
 
Goodness, almost made four years as a member without posting?
 
I guess I’ve been more of a reader than a writer 🙂

I didn’t realise it was so close. If only I’d held out another month! 😉
 
As a music minister that plays ‘cheesy’ guitar music from the Gather book or New Age music that is approved as liturgically correct by the Church and included in the Gather book, I am saddened by your personal attack coloring your opinion.

Since your post is opinion with very little fact, I would like to respond in kind. I am a converted Catholic, so please bash me with the other like opinions I read from some time to time (though not every ‘cradle’ Catholic shares those opinions.

I do not know Latin, am not trained in it, did not learn it as a child and what few words are explained to me cannot with my lack of training and experience/exposure to the language use it to help me understand virutually nothing about my Lord, the history of His people, or his plan for me. (sorry for the long sentance). At one point the Holy Spirit enabled a chosen few to proclaim the good news in each person’s native tongue. If it was good enough for the Lord back then to reach the populace, why is Latin the ‘only’ way to do this correctly today?

I understand that you lose something in translation. No amount of education will every help me to understand the original language and relate it to my life today so that I can better understand the Latin translations of the original languages used at the time of Jesus.

Do the best you can with English, pray for me the God will lead me, help me all you can - please. Also, when I praise the Lord, in anyway my heart moved with Love for him is motivated to do, please do not describe it as ‘cheesy guitar music’ or ‘pop slop’ or any of your hurtful derogatory labels. Latin hymns to me are boring - there I said it. Not only the lack of good understanding of the meaning, but the tunes themselves. Why is this music better than others. It is human nature to like what you grew up with, what you were taught to appreciate when young. I seriously doubt God instills a special grace upon you or draws your heart closer to Him just because you are singing or listening in Latin.

I do appreciate recent posts that state the Church is more concerned about TOO MUCH of an emotional response to music, where the music becomes the focus, not the prayer it contains. It was a more difficult and fine point to see in where what certain music can cause this distraction - but I think I understand it better now and look carefully for examples of this - so that we can avoid it. Yes, I already undestand music ministry is to assist the celebrant by leading a certain prayer musically at his direction.

Remember more recently when we were told we could no longer sing/pray/say ‘Jesus Lamb of God’ but now have to sing/say just ‘Lamb of God’. I read the rationale which was so esoteric I can hardly remember it. Such a small change - what has it done to draw the people closer together, to help encourage a deeper relationship with our Lord, to honor him in a significantly better way?

I will not give up on my church, but I do not feel that much of what you said here or that sometimes operational decisions by the Church do all that much to further the ultimate goal of the Church - which I believe is passage into the loving arms of my Lord at my death?
Thank you for posting this. Many converts, including me, share your opinions.

I agree with you about the music, too. I’ve been a member of these forums for quite a few years now, and I’ve been a Catholic for seven years, and I STILL think that much of the “modern” Catholic music is very beautiful and it touches my soul, while the Latin and chants do NOT have any pleasing effect on me personally. If others like ancient music and language, that’s good and I’m very happy for them and glad that they are growing in the Lord and in their faith through these ancient practices. But after seven years, I still have no longing for or interest in ancient Catholicism, and I still love hearing Mass and hymns in my own language, and music in familiar (modern) styles.

One of the posters posted the following: Every Catholic should know the correct response to “Dominus vobiscum” is “et cum spiritu tuo” and not “Huh?!?!?”

My question is “Why?” What will this accomplish? WHY is this important for “every Catholic”?

Yes, I agree that Catholics should be informed about our history and heritage, mainly so that we can have confidence in the abiding truth of the Catholic Church and so that we can field the questions of non-Catholics. I also think it helps us to fully appreciate that we are part of a “Catholic” Church, i.e., the Church in heaven, the Church on earth, and the Church in purgatory. Knowing our history and traditions helps keeps us all connected and reminds us that Christianity doesn’t begin and end with “me.”

But I would like posters on this thread to think deeply about WHY it is important for us to know the Latin responses? WHY?!
 
I have fun with “Traditionalists.” IF we want to be faithful to Jesus, let us pray the Mass in Aramaic, His native toungue for The Last Supper, which the Maronite Church does at least for the Consecration, then switch to Greek which was next, then to Latin. As noted, Latin is not a normal language for communications except for Church dcuments then translated. Latin became Italian and the Romance languages. I have begged EWTN to at least provide sub-titles or voice over for the Communion of the Mass but there must be some Demon of Confusion controlling their decisions! Their congregation everyday, their occasional visitors kneel for communion, receive communion on the tongue for the most part and that shows a false understanding of “Tradition” I love the EWTN daily Mass and some of their programmes but that silly use of Latin and their over-insistence on abortion to the neglect of life everywhere else show a glaring obvious unnecessary imbalance.
 
Interesting question, but I have to agree with Pfaffenhoffen. Just because you hear the Pater Noster does not teach you what it means or Latin grammar. I do find that some younger people attending Latin masses are more interested in learning Latin as a result of attending, but they still have to use sources other than the Mass to actually learn Latin.
I agree that just going to Mass isn’t enough, but I would disagree with any idea that one doesn’t learn language simply by hearing it. Quite the oppisit is true, that is exactly how we learn language (perhaps not how to express the formal rules).
 
Thank you for posting this. Many converts, including me, share your opinions.

I agree with you about the music, too. I’ve been a member of these forums for quite a few years now, and I’ve been a Catholic for seven years, and I STILL think that much of the “modern” Catholic music is very beautiful and it touches my soul, while the Latin and chants do NOT have any pleasing effect on me personally. If others like ancient music and language, that’s good and I’m very happy for them and glad that they are growing in the Lord and in their faith through these ancient practices. But after seven years, I still have no longing for or interest in ancient Catholicism, and I still love hearing Mass and hymns in my own language, and music in familiar (modern) styles.

One of the posters posted the following: Every Catholic should know the correct response to “Dominus vobiscum” is “et cum spiritu tuo” and not “Huh?!?!?”

My question is “Why?” What will this accomplish? WHY is this important for “every Catholic”?

Yes, I agree that Catholics should be informed about our history and heritage, mainly so that we can have confidence in the abiding truth of the Catholic Church and so that we can field the questions of non-Catholics. I also think it helps us to fully appreciate that we are part of a “Catholic” Church, i.e., the Church in heaven, the Church on earth, and the Church in purgatory. Knowing our history and traditions helps keeps us all connected and reminds us that Christianity doesn’t begin and end with “me.”

But I would like posters on this thread to think deeply about WHY it is important for us to know the Latin responses? WHY?!
Interesting viewpoint.

As a Catholic convert myself, I am a world apart in opinions. And I’m very much younger (not yet twenty). My Catholic friend convinced me to become Catholic. I went to a priest, and he told me to go to RCIA. I did, and was baptized, confirmed, and received first communion. All the while I was attending mass as a non-Catholic, and I was absolutely stricken with profound horror at how Protestant-like much of the masses were. I was so confused. I was confused that English was spoken. I didn’t want that. I wanted so very badly to be part of the Catholic identity, and I was confused that it seemed that Hollywood directors managed to capture more of a traditionally Catholic identity than the church I attended did. I was craving an absolutely pious environment. I was craving for the Catholic IDENTITY. What I found was a watered-down, sorry-state local Catholic “community” (not “parish”) that was more concerned about the upcoming little league games than preserving liturgical excellence and integrity. I’ll be honest, I was absolutely disgusted and horrified. But I stuck with it. I experienced little morsels of Catholic identity here and there, and I loved when that would happen. I learned absolutely nothing at RCIA past calling the priest “Father.” Everything else, I had to do on my own. Catechesis is really in shambles in our Church today.

The thing about Catholicism is that it’s such an outward religion. The richness of the faith itself lends to natural outward, physical expression, such as beautiful vestments, captivating church architecture, art, etc. These were the things that I thought I would see. But I didn’t. I thought about it for a while, and my natural conclusion was that if these things weren’t the norm anymore (and they certainly are not), then what does this mean has happened to the faith itself? A crumbling exterior is a sign of… you guessed it, a crumbling interior.

I personally abhor modernism in how it pervades the church. It more than makes me sad and disgusted, it makes me quite mad, because I feel like I can’t do anything to stop it. To preserve the faith, where can we most easily start? Answer: those tangible, changeable parts of the Church. We can start with vestments, architecture, adding statues back to Catholic churches that were horrifically stripped of them. But what’s quicker than all that? Restoring the language of the Church to its rightful place. Our language is what defines us as a faith. The outward is representative of the inward. Destroy our outward bonds by removing the language that connects us, then might as well destroy our inward, faith bonds.

Is it more convenient to have three hundred (not sure of the exact number) missals so that they fit our local languages? Absolutely. But is it better for the faith? Absolutely not. Our sacral language is best suited for that.
 
Interesting viewpoint.

As a Catholic convert myself, I am a world apart in opinions. And I’m very much younger (not yet twenty). My Catholic friend convinced me to become Catholic. I went to a priest, and he told me to go to RCIA. I did, and was baptized, confirmed, and received first communion. All the while I was attending mass as a non-Catholic, and I was absolutely stricken with profound horror at how Protestant-like much of the masses were. I was so confused. I was confused that English was spoken. I didn’t want that. I wanted so very badly to be part of the Catholic identity, and I was confused that it seemed that Hollywood directors managed to capture more of a traditionally Catholic identity than the church I attended did. I was craving an absolutely pious environment. I was craving for the Catholic IDENTITY. What I found was a watered-down, sorry-state local Catholic “community” (not “parish”) that was more concerned about the upcoming little league games than preserving liturgical excellence and integrity. I’ll be honest, I was absolutely disgusted and horrified. But I stuck with it. I experienced little morsels of Catholic identity here and there, and I loved when that would happen. I learned absolutely nothing at RCIA past calling the priest “Father.” Everything else, I had to do on my own. Catechesis is really in shambles in our Church today.

The thing about Catholicism is that it’s such an outward religion. The richness of the faith itself lends to natural outward, physical expression, such as beautiful vestments, captivating church architecture, art, etc. These were the things that I thought I would see. But I didn’t. I thought about it for a while, and my natural conclusion was that if these things weren’t the norm anymore (and they certainly are not), then what does this mean has happened to the faith itself? A crumbling exterior is a sign of… you guessed it, a crumbling interior.

I personally abhor modernism in how it pervades the church. It more than makes me sad and disgusted, it makes me quite mad, because I feel like I can’t do anything to stop it. To preserve the faith, where can we most easily start? Answer: those tangible, changeable parts of the Church. We can start with vestments, architecture, adding statues back to Catholic churches that were horrifically stripped of them. But what’s quicker than all that? Restoring the language of the Church to its rightful place. **Our language is what defines us as a faith. ** The outward is representative of the inward. Destroy our outward bonds by removing the language that connects us, then might as well destroy our inward, faith bonds.

Is it more convenient to have three hundred (not sure of the exact number) missals so that they fit our local languages? Absolutely. But is it better for the faith? Absolutely not. Our sacral language is best suited for that.
Boldface above is mine.

Much of your post I accept as your personal preference and have no objection to.

But are you serious? Our LANGUAGE is what defines us as a faith??!!

I thought it was Jesus Christ, Truly Present, in the Eucharist, and our entire commitment of ourselves to Him.

And what’s this “Catholic Identity?” To me, this sounds “New Age” and Hollywood."

Isn’t the “Catholic Identity” receiving Jesus Christ, Truly Present, in the Eucharist, as often as possible, and then living a life of holiness and charity outside of the church building among a world of sinners and scoffers, to whom we appear as a Light to help them find their way to Jesus and His Church?

All the rest–the Latin, the vestments, the music, the architecture–this is just the earthly trappings, the “costumes” and the “sets” and the “script,” and it will all pass away. But the good works that we do in Christ and through the power of the Holy Spirit will have eternal repercussions–we will actually help bring people into the Kingdom of God by our love for Christ and each other.

Also, please try to see that you have a preference for a certain architecture or music, and others have different preferences. The Church does not specify certain architectures.

The Church does state that Gregorian chant should be done in the Mass, but it does not forbid many other styles of music in Mass (secular music is forbidden).

It seems to me that when we blame the decline in the Catholic Church (less people, less reverence, less monies, less vocations, etc.) on externals like language, architecture, music, etc.–we conveniently dismiss our own personal fault.

Isn’t it possible that the Church has declined in many ways because Catholics, including myself, sin in their/my thoughts, in their/my words, and in what they/I have done and failed to do?

When the world sees us, do they see anything different about us? Vestments, Latin, and chant don’t count, unless you walk around the schools, workplaces, and neighborhoods wearing vestments, speaking in Latin, and singing chant! These things are part of “church,” and the world never sees “church” and they’re not likely to walk into “church”.

Instead, what the world sees is us in our everyday routine lives, out in the world, and all too often, they see NOTHING different about us Catholics, nothing that would draw them to Jesus Christ.

Instead, they see the same weaknesses and sins that they themselves experience, and we don’t have any answers for them. No wonder people are not interested in the Catholic Church–we don’t give them any reason in everyday life to become interested. I confess that in my everyday life, I have failed constantly to glorify God and light the way for others to find Him. May God have mercy on me and help me to do better.
 
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