Egalitarianism or a Meritocracy?

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Good day to you all! 🙂 So which do you prefer in the world? Take a vote in the poll and/or reply to this thread with your opinion! God bless 🙂
 
I would say a Meritocracy would be the best option for a society compared to an Egalitarian society. Because in an Egalitarian society, everyone is treated as equals no matter what they do in society or if they do nothing at all. It would be better, compared to this, to have a Meritocracy because if society was based on a persons merit than people would, to rise in society, have to participate in society.In an egalitarian society, you could stray very close to coinciding with a communist society under Marxist terms with, “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” Because everyone would be equal and having to give all of their own abilities to society and they would get what they need back from society, as equals.
 
I’d say you have to take a middle road between them. Ability and effort should be rewarded, but intrinsic human value can’t be discarded, either. For example, if someone suffers from a crippling ailment and can’t contribute much economically to a society, they shouldn’t just be brushed aside.
 
I’d say you have to take a middle road between them. Ability and effort should be rewarded, but intrinsic human value can’t be discarded, either. For example, if someone suffers from a crippling ailment and can’t contribute much economically to a society, they shouldn’t just be brushed aside.
Exactly. But I would personally have a problem with the idea that those who do not have particular skills should get a low standard of living. I think everybody should have a possibility to make a good living and grow. Which I don’t think is true for everybody right now. Society has a tendency to rubbish people who have made mistakes instead of helping them to change and develop. If we had a truly fair society that respected the common good there would not be any such thing as generational poverty or poor working people.

The common good cannot be discarded.
 
I’d say you have to take a middle road between them. Ability and effort should be rewarded, but intrinsic human value can’t be discarded, either. For example, if someone suffers from a crippling ailment and can’t contribute much economically to a society, they shouldn’t just be brushed aside.
It is often the Catholic opinion to take the “both/and” option, this choice before us is no different.
 
Why monarchy. Can you give me a logical reason?
There is a lot to go through if you’re interested, but here is an excerpt from an excellent article (a must read) on CatholicCulture.org:
MARXISM, LIBERALISM, THEISM:
These political systems take their origins in three different ideologies: Marxism for Communism, Liberalism for Democracy, and Theism for Monarchy. In the West, when monarchy was at its zenith, it had the support of the Catholic Church, although the Church never taught that hereditary monarchy was the only conceivable form of lawful government. Nevertheless, and in spite of the numerous quarrels between Monarchs and Popes, the Church always supported the monarchical concept of government. Even in modern times, the Popes have given evidence of their monarchist sentiments (e.g. Pius XII). That Monarchism and Christianity should have always gone hand in hand is nothing to be wondered at; the Church itself is a monarchical-hierarchical Organisation in which authority is handed down rather than ascending from below; and Christ is the King of Kings. In point of fact, it is extremely doubtful if the Kingship of Christ will ever be effectively recognised in a society whose thinking has been conditioned to abhor the very notion of Kingship.
"Even a monarch of mediocre talents and natural gifts has the advantage of having received an education for his profession; a democratic leader, in most cases, is nothing but a dilettante… "
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Also, Watch the link I provided.
 
Good day to you all! 🙂 So which do you prefer in the world? Take a vote in the poll and/or reply to this thread with your opinion! God bless 🙂
Merit-based with common sense SAFETY NETS…that don’t bankrupt the system.
 
Exactly. But I would personally have a problem with the idea that those who do not have particular skills should get a low standard of living. I think everybody should have a possibility to make a good living and grow. Which I don’t think is true for everybody right now. Society has a tendency to rubbish people who have made mistakes instead of helping them to change and develop. If we had a truly fair society that respected the common good there would not be any such thing as generational poverty or poor working people.

The common good cannot be discarded.
When a society stoops to rescue it’s weakest from destruction…it is a noble society.

However, when a society aims to make weakness so comfortable that the number of “weak” grow and grow…then that society is wicked.
 
When a society stoops to rescue it’s weakest from destruction…it is a noble society.

However, when a society aims to make weakness so comfortable that the number of “weak” grow and grow…then that society is wicked.
I am sorry I don’t understand that. That just sounds like survival of the fittest mentality.
 
Meritocracy in government. Egalitarianism in personal practice.

In other words, charitable aid should be left to individuals.
 
Meritocracy in government. Egalitarianism in personal practice.

In other words, charitable aid should be left to individuals.
Wrong. Taking care of the common good is a legitimate government activity precisely because the market place alone cannot ensure everybody’s right to property and living expenses.
 
Wrong. Taking care of the common good is a legitimate government activity precisely because the market place alone cannot ensure everybody’s right to property and living expenses.
A right is something that can’t (or shouldn’t) be taken from you by another human being. Not something you are automatically entitled to by virtue of being human. Human beings have no rights in the second sense, save for the right to free will (liberty). So the right to property, understood properly, means that no one has the right to take your property without your consent. And that actually means that if we respect the right to property, it would be moraly wrong, stealing, in fact, to tax the hardworking, lucky, or greedy in order to give to the lazy, unlucky, or principled.
 
A right is something that can’t (or shouldn’t) be taken from you by another human being. Not something you are automatically entitled to by virtue of being human.
It is entitled to you, precisely because you are a human being. Only in a nihilistic society, where only the skills of individual matters, is it possible to discard those who are of no use to you.
 
And that actually means that if we respect the right to property, it would be moraly wrong, stealing, in fact, to tax the hardworking, lucky, or greedy in order to give to the lazy, unlucky, or principled.
That’s a fallacy. Nobody has an absolute unconditional right to private property. If my having property undermines your ability to gain property, then that is theft.
 
It is entitled to you, precisely because you are a human being.
In order to provide basis for the claim that rights ought to be respected by the government, without throwing out the separation of church and state, one has to provide a secular source of rights. Usually, the basis for secular rights is nature. But in nature, there is no gaurantee that you will have enough to eat, that adequate health care will be provided, that a decent living will be had, or that people will recieve a proper education. There is not even a right to life. There is no natural or secular basis for these rights, and thus it is not the governments buisness, given the separation of church and state.
Only in a nihilistic society, where only the skills of individual matters, is it possible to discard those who are of no use to you.
I agree. That’s why it is important for us as individual christians to care for those people.
 
That’s a fallacy. Nobody has an absolute unconditional right to private property. If my having property undermines your ability to gain property, then that is theft.
Only if you are deliberately using your property to keep me from gaining it. Merely having property in no way undermines another person’s ability to gain property; it all has to do with the way you use it. people have the right to as much private property as they can rightfully and justly attain. And taking that property without their consent is also theft.
 
That’s a fallacy. Nobody has an absolute unconditional right to private property. If my having property undermines your ability to gain property, then that is theft.
Remember that when you tax, then a third party is involved, which is the state. One has to ask, how much should this third party get to keep? Take for instance the public school establishment, which Bill Bennet dubbed the “Blob,” because it has the ability to digest money poured into it and deliver mostly offal to its clients, the students.
 
I am sorry I don’t understand that. That just sounds like survival of the fittest mentality.
The Bible asks us repeatedly to care for the “anawim”…a Hebrew word for “the poor, the widow, the orphan and the stranger in your land”.

Christianity in the West saw predatory capitalism tearing families apart and endangering the weak with harsh labor and unhealthy conditions…so the Social Gospel was born about 180 years ago. From the Social Gospel movement we got child labor laws, labor unions, minimum wage, health and safety in the workplace, the equal rights movements for black, women and disabled, we also got sanitation and conservation laws for cities and parks…but the Social Gospel preachers were a bit liberal in their theology and steadily became more Leftists at the turn of the last century.

Consequently, a Social Gospel organization like the American Union Against Militarism the AUAM became the ACLU after WW1…and the care for the “anawim” has become a movement for gay marriage and corrupt unions and corrupt politicians.

What started as Biblical concern for the weak has become a corrupt political quid pro quo of “empathetic laws” that really serve to grow government dependence.

America was a Christian nation with deep concern for the weak…but having set up a reward system for the weak…we are going into financial collapse…printing over $30,000 per second to pay 40% of all government spending.
 
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