Egalitarianism or a Meritocracy?

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Pugsly said:
America was a Christian nation with deep concern for the weak…but having set up a reward system for the weak…we are going into financial collapse…printing over $30,000 per second to pay 40% of all government spending.
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That’s happening because the government is not taxing the rich enough. I don’t see any point in blaming the victim.
 
zro_x said:
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I agree. That’s why it is important for us as individual christians to care for those people.
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And it is also the responsibility of the state because any reasonable person can see that relying on human nature for charity is not enough. Protection of it citizens has to be enforced both in terms of their physical well-being and how the trends of the market place affects them. I really have no sympathy for people who cry about being taxed in-order to help the poor.
 
Linux said:
That’s happening because the government is not taxing the rich enough. I don’t see any point in blaming the victim.
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👍 In the UK the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer - with many children going to school without breakfast. The Cabinet (the top dogs in the Government) consists mainly of millionaires…
 
tonyrey said:
👍 In the UK the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer - with many children going to school without breakfast. The Cabinet (the top dogs in the Government) consists mainly of millionaires…
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Very much the same here in the US.
 
zro_x said:
people have the right to as much private property as they can rightfully and justly attain.
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Not at the expense and dignity of other people they don’t. Never at the expense of the common good.
 
Linux said:
That’s happening because the government is not taxing the rich enough. I don’t see any point in blaming the victim.
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when when the top 1% of Americans pay 40% of all of america’s income taxes, and the 47% don’t pay any at all, I’d say the rich are being taxed far, far more than is fair.
 
zro_x said:
There is no natural or secular basis for these rights, and thus it is not the governments buisness, given the separation of church and state.
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And that is why secularism is evil.
 
Linux said:
And it is also the responsibility of the state because any reasonable person can see that relying on human nature for charity is not enough. Protection of it citizens has to be enforced both in terms of their physical well-being and how the trends of the market place affects them. I really have no sympathy for people who cry about being taxed in-order to help the poor.
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That is only true if there is a secular basis for entitlements. And there isn’t.

Furthermore, It doesn’t matter if human charity isn’t enough. We aren’t allowed to disobey God’s commandments (steal) no matter what the circumstances, even in order to help someone, and taking someone’s property without their consent is stealing.
 
zro_x said:
That is only true if there is a secular basis for entitlements. And there isn’t.
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It doesn’t matter what an evil ideology says about rights.
zro_x said:
Furthermore, It doesn’t matter if human charity isn’t enough. We aren’t allowed to disobey God’s commandments (steal) no matter what the circumstances, even in order to help someone, and taking someone’s property without their consent is stealing.
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Taxation isn’t theft.
 
Linux said:
Not at the expense and dignity of other people they don’t. Never at the expense of the common good.
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If the property is gained** rightfully and justly**, then gaining property never comes at the expense of the common good.
 
devoutchristian said:
It doesn’t matter what an evil ideology says about rights.
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Staying unaffiliated with any religion is a very good position for the government to take. Far better than a theocracy, at any rate, which is ultimately the only other option.
Taxation isn’t theft.
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Only when legislators pass laws that apply equally to everyone. Then taxation is a social contract. But when laws are passed that descriminate against a particular subgroup (such as the rich) the laws are no longer a social contract, but theft.
 
zro_x said:
If the property is gained** rightfully and justly**, then gaining property never comes at the expense of the common good.
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Never? In that case the law of the jungle will prevail in a world with limited natural resources…
 
zro_x said:
Staying unaffiliated with any religion is a very good position for the government to take. Far better than a theocracy, at any rate, which is ultimately the only other option.

Only when legislators pass laws that apply equally to everyone. Then taxation is a social contract. But when laws are passed that descriminate against a particular subgroup (such as the rich) the laws are no longer a social contract, but theft.
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Then there is no rational objection to the rich steadily getting richer and the poor steadily getting poorer…
 
Linux said:
That’s happening because the government is not taxing the rich enough. I don’t see any point in blaming the victim.
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if you read my entire post…you would clearly see that no one is blaming victims. However, as the INFLATIONARY POLICIES of this President continue to sink the poor and elderly into lower and lower standards of living…there will be plenty more “victims”.
 
tonyrey said:
Never? In that case the law of the jungle will prevail in a world with limited natural resources…
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That would be true, if you think that our natural recources are very limited at the moment, which is a matter of dispute. If we were bumping up against some population limit, then the Earth’s finite resources may be a problem, and may warrant greater taxation on the rich. However, if the world is far from its carrying capacity(or the rate of growth is significantly slowing or stopping), the mere act of having and gaining money in no way affects those who don’t have it.
 
tonyrey said:
Then there is no rational objection to the rich steadily getting richer and the poor steadily getting poorer…
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There doesn’t seem to be any rational secular objection to this phenomena. no, I should rephrase that. secularists can object to it all they want, they just can’t do anything about it if they respect rights, just as we can’t do anything about it if we respect God’s law.
 
Alberti_Devoveo said:
Video on actual Wealth Inequality in America. In light of this video’s display on wealth at it actually is in America, I think the taxation is actually quite fair.
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After watching this video, I’m inclined to agree with you. The taxation on the rich, at least right now, is fair. They don’t need to pay either more or less taxes.
 
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