El Chapo's daughter is married at majestic Mexican cathedral

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This has been one of many achilles heel of the Mexican church – it’s relationship with organised crime – in the last 30 years or so,” said Rodolfo Soriano-Nuñez, a sociologist who studies the Mexican catholic church.
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In a notorious show of the difficulties in calming the country – and the Sinaloa cartel’s enduring power – soldiers in Culiacán captured one of El Chapo’s sons: Ovidio Guzmán López in October, but were forced to release him after Sinaloa cartel gunmen mobilised
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El Chapo's daughter is married at majestic Mexican cathedral

Ostentatious wedding to groom with underworld links is seen as reminder of bride’s family’s power
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We see the Italian Mafia with the catholic church portrayed in all movies and now the Mexican drug cartel which is a bit discouraging.
 
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I don’t understand the outrage. If she is Catholic, she gets married in church. Wealthy people always have choices that the average person does not. Does anyone really think the Church is going to say something to stop their marriage because of who she is?

I understand who her father is, what he does and what he has caused to happen to people. But the Church is not going to deny her marriage because of him.
 
I thought the controversy was going to be because she didn’t social distance. But her wedding was in February. She’s not her dad, then there should not be a prohibition for her to marry in Church.
 
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I think the issues are that her husband has links to organized crime and money laundering, as well as the fact that the entire cathedral was locked down for the wedding, an option that the Church would not give an ordinary Catholic.
 
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We see the Italian Mafia with the catholic church portrayed in all movies
F_Marturana said:
Movies are fiction.
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There has long been the Italian Mafia association with the catholic church. They are big into the cocaine now unlike the earlier mafia. Ask Robert Saviano who had been in hiding since 2006 after writing a book “Gomorrah” about their connections.

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El Chapo’s daughter speaks about her dad and his innocence. She married a drug member and posted pictures all over Instagram. In 1993 in a gang shooting, “Cardinal Juan Jesus Posadas Ocampo and six other people dead outside the Guadalajara airport,” As the story goes, the Cardina’sl car looked similar to El Chapo’s wife when it pulled into the airport.

No big affair should be allowed in a church cathedral. They could have just blessed the marriage privately.
 
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Just because there are scenes in films associating the Church and Organized crime does not mean that Church tolerates organized crime. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.

El chapo’s daughter was canonically permitted to get married in the Church, otherwise she wouldn’t have been.

The Church has frequently denied funerals to members of organized crime. The article you posted has an example of a priest assassinated for refusing the sacraments to organize crime members.

Is there something specific in the article that you wanted me to see that the Mob and the Church are intertwined somehow?
 
F_Marturana said:
Just because there are scenes in films associating the Church and Organized crime does not mean that Church tolerates organized crime. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.
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The entire cathedral was locked down. If the church does not tolerate crime, why is this priest a so called friend of the family allowed to do this.You can say it is all hearsay but she did have a lavish “church” wedding.

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El Chapo’s daughter Alejandrina Guzmán marries nephew of 'drug kingpin' in glam ceremony in Mexico

EL CHAPO’S daughter has married the nephew of another alleged drug kingpin after arriving for her lavish ceremony in a white bulletproof limo. Alejandrina Gisselle Guzmán Salazar wed Édgar Cá…
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When I think of the Italian church I want to think of 87 plus priests who lost their lives during the Covid-19 virus not some cartel funding the coffers.

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Cardinal Posadas was an outspoken critic of the groups and the violent terror they use to control Mexico’s illicit drug economy. Though the government ruled that his death was a case of mistaken identity, many still believe the killing was deliberate—that is, a successful attempt to silence him.

The man was wearing his clerical robes, after all.
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JamesV.Cameron said:
Breaking news: catholic woman gets married Catholic Church
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Story should be. “catholic woman gets married in a civil ceremony”. There are many, many couples who are denied church weddings and for simple reasons.
 
She should be denied a formal wedding in the church. Was there a mass said, I have not idea but I am assuming there was. That is not to say she could not have had the marriage simply blessed.

You are aware that there are different forms of catholic weddings. For instant in a wedding in my family in a church, a mass was not allowed to take place because the person she was marrying was protestant(problem with it).

My sister was married in a civil ceremony but had the marriage was “blessed”.

There are a lot of ins and outs in weddings and baptisms for that matter. I do not profess to know them all.

Also this is not about protestants. My brother was not allowed to be Godfather for my child because he no longer attended church but his wife who is a practicing protestant was allowed to be Godmother for the child. Let me tell you, it breaks your heart when they tell you this.
 
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F_Marturana said:
Because their fathers committed crimes?
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Because she and her husband have, themselves, chosen to be involved. Again I am not saying the she cannot have some form of a catholic marriage but a highly publicized one in a Cathedral with a mass, no.
 
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Again I will ask, why? Why should she be denied a formal wedding?
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She can have the formal wedding and she will do that no matter where she is married.

John Gotti, Italian mob boss, was denied a funeral mass but was allowed to be buried in a catholic cemetery near his son. Priests are assassinated for refusing communion.

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'El Chapo's provisions': Drug lord's daughter hands out branded COVID-19 aid packages

Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, 63, is in a US maximum security prison after being convicted on a host of drug trafficking charges.
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She markets an “El Chapo” clothing line. She is handing out aid packages but her face mask has a stencil image of her dad.
 
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Irishmom2 said:
I guess you just aren’t going to answer, are you?
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No you think there is no reason, that just because she is a catholic she is entitled to a full catholic mass wedding.

I do not and have given my reasons because of her constant stance that her dad was innocent and she markets El Chapo like “El Chapo” is a good thing.
 
Oh, so she shouldn’t have a wedding in church because her sins are different than yours?
It’s a good thing you don’t get to decide who is worthy and who is not.
 
Irishmom2 said:
Oh, so she shouldn’t have a wedding in church because her sins are different than yours?
It’s a good thing you don’t get to decide who is worthy and who is not.
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I did not say she should be denied having her marriage blessed. Priests, bishops, cardinals and the Pope decide these things all the time. Are they wrong to deny a funeral mass? Or even a brother from being Godfather?

It is my opinion.
 
It is only your opinion. You cannot compare your brother and him not being allowed to be a godfather with this particular person’s marriage. It’s apples and oranges.

We do not know the circumstances of the baptism, but the priest that would not allow it did.
You want to make everything the same and it isn’t.
 
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