Eliakim

[dbacks5439]

Hey guys, hope your day is going good.
The question I pose is if the Eliakim mentioned in Is. 22:22 is the same as mentioned in Matthew's geneology of Jesus tract.

 

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[Nita]

Hey guys, hope your day is going good.

The question I pose is if the Eliakim mentioned in Is. 22:22 is the same as mentioned in Matthew's geneology of Jesus tract.

I don’t think they are the same person. In the NT geneology, Abiud is given as the father of Eliakim. In the OT, Hilkiah is given as Eliakim’s father (2 Kings 18:18).

More important than the difference between the father’s names would be the dates connected to when they lived. In the OT, Eliakim is an adult at the time of Hezekiah’s reign, prior to the Babylonian captivity. In the NT geneology, Eliakim’s name is mentioned several generations after the deportation to Babylon.

The above is just my own reasoning. I was unable to find any commentary about it.

Nita

 

[dbacks5439]

I have noticed that. It is part of Tradition that the keys in Isaiah belong to the lineage of Jesus. It seems that Eliakim in Isaiah is not part of Jesus’ ancestry, so what happens to the keys after Eliakim?

 

[Nita]

I have noticed that. It is part of Tradition that the keys in Isaiah belong to the lineage of Jesus. It seems that Eliakim in Isaiah is not part of Jesus’ ancestry, so what happens to the keys after Eliakim?

Taking the Isaiah passage in it’s immediate literal meaning, it probably depended on what the current king decided - whether or not he wanted to appoint someone to that position. Our “king”, Jesus, is always current.
The keys in Isaiah concerned a national government office/authority, whereas the keys in the NT are about a spiritual, church office.

When Catholics use the passage in regards to Matthew 16:19 it is to show that “keys of the kingdom” was a term and authority that would have been familiar to the Jews - not a new expression or type of authority that would have been novel and puzzling. Also, taking the Isaiah passage as a prophecy of future events, it shows that the Lord’s establishment of such an office was in fulfillment of prophecy.

I’m not sure what you mean when you say that it’s part of our tradition that “the keys in Isaiah belong to the lineage of Jesus”. Do you mean that the OT kings in Judah belonged to the tribe of Judah and Jesus’ lineage was of the tribe of Judah?

Nita

 

[dbacks5439]

Taking the Isaiah passage in it’s immediate literal meaning, it probably depended on what the current king decided - whether or not he wanted to appoint someone to that position. Our “king”, Jesus, is always current.
The keys in Isaiah concerned a national government office/authority, whereas the keys in the NT are about a spiritual, church office.

When Catholics use the passage in regards to Matthew 16:19 it is to show that “keys of the kingdom” was a term and authority that would have been familiar to the Jews - not a new expression or type of authority that would have been novel and puzzling. Also, taking the Isaiah passage as a prophecy of future events, it shows that the Lord’s establishment of such an office was in fulfillment of prophecy.

I’m not sure what you mean when you say that it’s part of our tradition that “the keys in Isaiah belong to the lineage of Jesus”. Do you mean that the OT kings in Judah belonged to the tribe of Judah and Jesus’ lineage was of the tribe of Judah?

Nita

My question is what happened to the keys after Eliakim. Did God take them back and then gives them to Peter?

 

[davidv]

My question is what happened to the keys after Eliakim. Did God take them back and then gives them to Peter?

If they were given to him because the king was away, they would be returned to the king when he returned.

 

[zemi]

Does anyone of you have any link to how did those keys look like? What happened to them? Are they to be seen somewhere today?

 

[Nita]

Does anyone of you have any link to how did those keys look like? What happened to them? Are they to be seen somewhere today?

They’re not physical keys. The expression “keys of the kingdom” means the king’s power in his kingdom. When he gives the keys to someone, he gives them his authority - the right to legislate in the name of the king.

There may have been a real situation involving keys that gave rise to the origin of the expression (eg. jailer has keys which gives him the ability to free prisoners; kings had people with keys to storehouses where treasures kept, etc)

 

[zemi]

They’re not physical keys. The expression “keys of the kingdom” means the king’s power in his kingdom. When he gives the keys to someone, he gives them his authority - the right to legislate in the name of the king.

There may have been a real situation involving keys that gave rise to the origin of the expression (eg. jailer has keys which gives him the ability to free prisoners; kings had people with keys to storehouses where treasures kept, etc)

I know the keys Peter received were symbolic but also the key that Eliakim got? Wasn’t that something real that was used as a symbol? Kings and rulers have a lot stuff that symbolizes their power for instance

 

[Nita]

I know the keys Peter received were symbolic but also the key that Eliakim got? Wasn’t that something real that was used as a symbol? Kings and rulers have a lot stuff that symbolizes their power for instance

Hello zemi,

To my knowledge, any physical key/keys that would have been given to Eliakim would have been to open physical doors in the palace or storehouses. I have never read anywhere about a physical “key” (like an identification badge that we might wear) that was just for the purpose of identifying the wearer as the king’s steward.

However, the very fact that Eliakim would have been in possession of keys that allowed him access to the king’s (?whatever?), would have made it obvious to others that he was the king’s trusted steward.

The language in the Isaiah passage contains a lot of symbolic language. Even the verse that mentions the “key”:

Is 22:22 "And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David,…"
Maybe stewards literally carried the keys on their shoulders. More likely though it was an expression used to refer to one who had been given authority to exercise the king’s power and authority (key) in the kingdom of Judah (house of David).

Nita