Elijah, Messiah or Prophet?

[atheos_sum]

(NIV) John 19-21 says:

19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.g]”
21They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”

We know who Elijah is; we know who the Christ is; but who is this other Prophet they speak of? Were the Jews expecting another Prophet as well? Do Mormons and Muslims use this as evidence for another Prophet to come?

 

[Grace_and_Glory]

I believe the Prophet is Isaiah.

 

[atheos_sum]

Grace and Glory:

I believe the Prophet is Isaiah.

What makes you say that though? John was asked this roughly 400 years or so after Isaiah. Do you think the Jews were expecting Isaiah to come back?:ehh:

 

[Fidelis]

quote=atheos_sum John 19-21 says:

19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.g]”
21They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”

We know who Elijah is; we know who the Christ is; but who is this other Prophet they speak of? Were the Jews expecting another Prophet as well? Do Mormons and Muslims use this as evidence for another Prophet to come?
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“The Prophet” refers to the prophet promised by Moses. In some Jewish circles he was synonymous with the Messiah.

Their anticipation of a prophet raised from the dead was based on one of the most popular Messianic prophecies: Deut. 18:15. “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers; you will listen to him.” In Jesus’ day, it was understood that the words “God will raise up” meant resurrection. People were looking for a prophet raised from the dead. As Christians, we identify this prophet as Jesus.

 

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John 1:19-21 is not about a later prophet to come. To see this, compare to:

Matthew 16:14

Scholars suggest the Prophet was probably Moses. This fact would connects the present event to the Transfiguration where Christ stood with Elijah and Moses.

Moses was considered a prophet and also a type of Christ.

Consult the following references to Moses:

Acts 3:22-23
Numbers 12:7
John 3:14
John 6:14, 30-31
John 7:40, 52
Hebrews 3:1-11

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

quote=atheos_sum John 19-21 says:

19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.g]”
21They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”

We know who Elijah is; we know who the Christ is; but who is this other Prophet they speak of? Were the Jews expecting another Prophet as well? Do Mormons and Muslims use this as evidence for another Prophet to come?
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The “false prophet” in Revelation seems to be an “anti-Elijah” - which may conceivably be relevant.​

 

[Grace_and_Glory]

atheos_sum:

What makes you say that though? John was asked this roughly 400 years or so after Isaiah. Do you think the Jews were expecting Isaiah to come back?:ehh:

Sorry, my mistake. I guess I got mixed up because I was thinking about the fact that Isaiah is quoted as prophesying about John the Baptist. Next time I should check first and be sure. Again, sorry.

 

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Grace and Glory:

Sorry, my mistake. I guess I got mixed up because I was thinking about the fact that Isaiah is quoted as prophesying about John the Baptist. Next time I should check first and be sure. Again, sorry.

Oh I don’t think your hypothesis was off the mark. We get insight from one of the synoptic gospels:

**Matthew 16:14
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And they said, Some say, John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets

You see, many Jews at the time thought that one of the historical prophets would return; but they were not sure which one. It is certainly plausible to think that some Jews might have expected Isaiah.

But there is no suggestion that some future prophet would emerge. The only way one could argue such would be to take John 1:19-21 out of the proper context of the entirety of scripture.

 

[Fidelis]

adnauseum:

Scholars suggest the Prophet was probably Moses. This fact would connects the present event to the Transfiguration where Christ stood with Elijah and Moses.

More accurately, scholars say “the Prophet” probably refers to one that would be like Moses, in accord with Moses’ prediction of Dt 18:15. The NAB footnote on that verse says:

A prophet like me: from the context (opposition to the pagan soothsayers) it seems that Moses is referring in general to all the true prophets who were to succeed him. But since Christ is the Great Prophet in whom the prophetic office finds its fulfillment and completion, this passage was understood in a special Messianic sense both by the Jews (John 6:14; 7:40) and by the Apostles (Acts 3:22; 7:37).

Here’s what the NAB footnote on John 1:21 says:

16 [21] Elijah: the Baptist did not claim to be Elijah returned to earth (cf Malachi 3:23; Matthew 11:14). The Prophet: probably the prophet like Moses (Deut 18:15; cf Acts 3:22).

 

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(NIV) John 19-21 says:

19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. 20He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.g]”
21They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”

We know who Elijah is; we know who the Christ is; but who is this other Prophet they speak of? Were the Jews expecting another Prophet as well? Do Mormons and Muslims use this as evidence for another Prophet to come?

Many people are choosing to keep disconnecting versus and refuse to accept its relations.
Of course this prophet is not Isaiah because that was a long time ago. And it’s definitely not Jesus because he’s already mentioned as the Messiah. I don’t believe he will be mentioned twice because of the Resurrection.
Plus, we can also look at the sequence. Elijah and Jesus are a very close age.

As we love Isaiah because of his prediction of the coming of Jesus, he also predicted someone else on Isaiah 42! It’s all talking about the coming of a prophet and servant of GOD, bringing the final book of laws, and stopping the Idol worship. Isaiah 42 also mention the name of this prophet’s tribe “village of Kedar”, which has been also mentioned in Genesis 25:13 as a child of Ishmael. It also ends with the Children of Israel refusing this prophecy and confirming that GOD destroyed Jerusalem because of their sins .

I think anyone can guess who that is , as there was no claimed prophecy in the Arabia desert accept Mohamed , and he didn’t deny any single statements made by Jesus. Take a look at AdvertAdam.com where I write more about the connections between Abrahamic faiths.

Thanks for ready and GOD bless,
Adam

 

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St. Thomas Aquinas said the prophet was based upon a misunderstanding the Jews had thinking that 3 personages would appear in the time of the Messiah, that is Christ, Elijah, and one called a prophet found in a passage in Deuternonomy 18:15. That OT passage is about Christ Himself, but the Jews thought it was another who was to come when the Messiah came.

 

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St. Thomas Aquinas said the prophet was based upon a misunderstanding the Jews had thinking that 3 personages would appear in the time of the Messiah, that is Christ, Elijah, and one called a prophet found in a passage in Deuternonomy 18:15. That OT passage is about Christ Himself, but the Jews thought it was another who was to come when the Messiah came.

Why should we use an un-referenced quote, in your opinion, over a millennium later and ignore a mentioned prophet’s tribe in Isaiah 42 that was not found anywhere else in the OT? Both scriptures were introducing a future incident, which is why there’s no names.

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