Elizabeth Smart's father announces he is gay

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True, but Mormonism changes and has changed since the old men were young men.

The LDS young women today, prefer an RM, and do because they are taught the RM will be a better father and husband.
 
I talked to some of my Mormon relatives about this. While returned missionaries are a desirable catch, I don’t think it has anything to do with going to the Mormon celestial kingdom.

I have Mormon nephews who have been missionaries and some who have not. I would not say that the ones who went on missions have any better marriages or are better fathers. It has nothing to do with having been a missionary.
 
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RebeccaJ said:
Salvation means being saved. The result of salvation is eternal a life, in the presence of God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Damnation is eternal life away from God. Jesus called this a second death.
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Basically, I agree with this statement.
RebeccaJ said:
Mormon heaven is on more of a bell curve, with damnation and assured exaltation (second anointing), being the outliers.

Jesus didn’t teach on a bell curve. He taught, there are the sheep and the goats…just two possibilities.
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Good point! My over simplified definition of the plan of salvation did not explain this. However, when we die we will meet Jesus and He will judge us. We will then go either to paradise or to hell. We will be judged as to whether we are good or bad. This judgement will be based mainly on how we treat others, especially those who are in need. It will have little to do with our religious affiliation. We will stay in the spirit world until the final judgement and resurrection.
 
mtolympus said:
Jesus did not say there is no marriage in heaven. He said there is no marriage or giving in marriage in the resurrection. Big difference.
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If there is marriage in heaven then why didn’t Jesus answer the Sadducee’s question? Surely Jesus would know whose wife the woman was.

Luke 20:27-33 And there came to him some of the Sadducees, who deny that there is any resurrection: and they asked him, 28 Saying: Master, Moses wrote unto us: If any man’s brother die, having a wife, and he leave no children, that his brother should take her to wife and raise up seed unto his brother. 29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife and died without children. 30 And the next took her to wife: and he also died childless. 31 And the third took her. And in like manner, all the seven: and they left no children and died. 32 Last of all the woman died also. 33 In the resurrection therefore, whose wife of them shall she be? For all the seven had her to wife.
 
SunshineGrandma said:
Can LDS move about between the different levels of the celestial kingdom?

For example, can an unmarried person go to the highest level from a lower level and visit married family members?
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I don’t know of any scripture that gives us this information. However, I don’t believe the levels of celestial glory are separate locations. Rather, the highest level of the celestial kingdom is the only one that we will have potential to increase in glory, or the procreation of spiritual life. Everyone in the celestial kingdom will be sealed as family so I am quite sure anyone can visit whomever they wish. This is only my opinion.
 
vsedriver said:
If there is marriage in heaven then why didn’t Jesus answer the Sadducee’s question? Surely Jesus would know whose wife the woman was.
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Jesus has his own way of answering questions and seldom tries to explain himself. He knew they were non-believers and told them their question was in error, they did not understand “the power of God”. Eternal marriage must be preformed by the power that Jesus gave to Peter, to bind on earth that which will be bound in heaven. Jesus knew the Sudducees were not married by this power and none of these marriages would be valid.
 
I hope you know I was using a bit of sarcasm. 😉 I’m not married either and unless I screw up in a major way prior to death I’m pretty sure I’ll be in heaven after a good period of time in purgatory.
 
Yeah, I have Mormon relatives, some RM, some not. Some married to RM, some not. I’ve never heard any idea from Mormons that one has to be an RM or marry one to become a god.

However, there are explicit teachings available online that teach young Mormon girls and women that an RM will be a better husband and father.

One of my family made a list of desirable attributes for a future husband and RM was the first thing on the list. (She did marry an RM.)

There has also been pressure on Mormon boys to go on a Mormon mission, since around the 1970s. A young man who chooses not to go or worse, returns home early, faces rumors about why this is so. Why are they not worthy or why would they not obey the teachings in Mormonism that tells them a mission is more important than anything else they could do?

This pressure was not around for the current, elderly leaders of the Mormons.
 
The saying of Jesus you are using to attempt to prove eternal marriage isn’t about marriage at all.
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

These verses regarding binding and loosing are about Jesus giving St Peter the responsibility of building His church, the Church in existence today without interruption.

A Brother Who Sins.
“If your brother sins [against you], go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again, [amen,] I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything for which they are to pray, it shall be granted to them by my heavenly Father. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

Again Jesus is not talking about marriage, he is talking about something different.
 
Horton said:
These verses regarding binding and loosing are about Jesus giving St Peter the responsibility of building His church, the Church in existence today without interruption.
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You are right, that this is where Peter was given authority from Jesus to build His Church. By this authority, commitments made on earth will be binding in heaven. This includes other things such as baptism. This authority is likewise required for eternal marriage. A marriage ceremony which states ''unto death do you part" is valid only during this life and the power to bind in heaven is not required.
 
“Thus the marriage bond has been established by God himself in such a way that a marriage concluded and consummated between baptized persons can never be dissolved.”

I am impressed with the above statement. I do have great respect for the Catholic Church’s stand on the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman.
 
I meant the theology. Anything you write you have put a Mormon meaning behind it. But we aren’t Mormons.

All of the sacraments signify something about our relationship to God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They all signify something about the Kingdom of Heaven. Christian marriage is not only centered on Christ, it is an image of Christ, the bridegroom of the Church… A good article is here: Authentic Christian Marriage | Catholic Answers

(Though I have never seen a Mormon comprehend the profound mysteries of the Sacraments. I think it is because it is a religion that is too earthly minded.)
 
Thank you for the lesson. I am glad to learn more about your religion as well answer questions about my own.
 
I encourage you to go to mass with your wife, the world needs strong Christian men like yourself.
 
Just expressing my opinion on your comment. Thanks for updating me on Mass and Divine Liturgy.
 
Maybe you should go to Divine Liturgy with your wife.

Catechism of the Catholic Church Part Two
1640 Thus the marriage bond has been established by God himself in such a way that a marriage concluded and consummated between baptized persons can never be dissolved. This bond, which results from the free human act of the spouses and their consummation of the marriage, is a reality, henceforth irrevocable, and gives rise to a covenant guaranteed by God’s fidelity. The Church does not have the power to contravene this disposition of divine wisdom.
 
mtolympus said:
1640 Thus the marriage bond has been established by God himself in such a way that a marriage concluded and consummated between baptized persons can never be dissolved.
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“Never” means “never while both spouses are alive”. This is why the Church doesn’t allow divorced people who had previously contracted a valid sacramental marriage to remarry, but allows widowed people to remarry. Once your spouse is dead, you are not married any longer.
 
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