EMHC and the possible misuses

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Dear friends,

My name is Juan, and I am a young person that took a training to become an EMHC two years ago. Ever since, I’ve felt that it’s use, especially in my parish, is regular and perhaps exhaustive. I understand that we may be called to help in extraordinary circumstances, not regularly. I had a debate with my mother about this, telling her that it should be a priest’s privilege to give the Body of Christ, but she countered that argument saying I was wrong and that lay people should be involved in the Mass, but I said to her that our involvement is “diagonal”, not “vertical” or “horizontal” (meaning we are involved in our senses but not completely, as we involve a connection to the divine as well). I argued yes we do externals but we get often caught up in those externals we forget about the internal, since I wanted to make clear that I wasn’t only saying what we do in the interior is important. Both should complement each other, the internal often reflects the external if done right. I’ve seen many people now genuflecting when I and others did this, and it’s wonderful how such a small gesture gets people going! Anyways, I get the sense that if someone speaks up about this or is generally strong about his/her opinion, one is called “judgmental” and against what the Second Vatican Council really taught. For some people, to say there’s a crisis after the Council or to say that what the Council really taught was misused in some places is borderline wrong and making a big deal out of nothing. Maybe I’m not using the best arguments to convey my point to my mother, but it seems that she’s trying to tell me that somehow I am failing God for not wanting to continue as an EMHC (as I stopped “serving” although I was listed in a schedule) and that I’m becoming “angry” and “judgmental”. She’s right, we should avoid that, but honestly, I’m unhappy at my parish. The homilies don’t offer a challenge, people who wish to pray in peace are looked down upon, the Masses become clappy clappy happy especially during the “Sign of Peace”, and everything is about making known God’s love, but I think there’s more to God than our own definition of “love”. True joy can manifest itself in a smile, but I think it’s really a way of life, the idea that not all is lost. The Church has always had its low points, sure, but it doesn’t mean we should despair. We should feel ever closer to Christ and His sufferings, something people don’t get. The joy I get may not manifest itself in a smile, I often feel overwhelmed with some situations and the world and people think I’m angry. Sometimes, yes, I’m unhappy because I don’t find like-minded people to talk to and vent with, but it’s only that.

I’m debating whether or not to “serve” in this way. I want to serve the Church in some other way, perhaps in another parish because I’ve felt my spiritual life to be at a low with all the externals and the noise people make chattering, people who want to say hello, etc. I see a stark contrast with other parishes where this is kept at a minimal. I’ve been going to another parish lately and the priests there, from what I can see, love Christ and really care for their parish materially and spiritually, and some of that I do see at my “home parish”, just not enough. The priests are Scalabrinians, and they emphasize justice for migrants, specifically for people who do so “illegally”, so much that the Christmas homily was done by a lay person talking about how he crossed the border to come here. It was really sad to say the least that we stooped that low, especially on such a great feast.

My question is: why is that those who want to learn more and be more serious about the faith are berated like hardcore anti-Vatican II people, when those doing the berating are telling us we need to be “less judgmental” and more loving? Aren’t they doing the same thing they’re accusing us of? I try not to seem “judgmental” but we have to call out acts that are wrong, Jesus Himself was NOT the passive, submissive man people in our day present Him as. He was divine and He had many attributes that made people angry, and He was God! Why is that we’re convinced that the only way to evangelize is by being passive and a “good person”?
 
As a wise man once said, go where you are fed. If your parish is not fulfilling your spiritual needs, by all means go to another parish. The happy-clappy “spirit of Vatican 2” stuff is not to everyone’s tastes. I also prefer more reverent liturgy. If your parish doesn’t offer you that and another would, it is far better that you go to Mass and get some spiritual benefit from it than leave feeling angry, upset or marginalised. Ever been to an Ordinariate use Mass? You may find it to your liking.

EMHCs are indeed Extraordinary ministers, though are routinely used to avoid prolonging the Mass by a few minutes. This is an almost universal problem as far as I can see. If you don’t want to serve in this way anymore that is fine and there are other ways to serve. Maybe try altar serving, I find that very rewarding.
 
As a wise man once said, go where you are fed. If your parish is not fulfilling your spiritual needs, by all means go to another parish. The happy-clappy “spirit of Vatican 2” stuff is not to everyone’s tastes. I also prefer more reverent liturgy. If your parish doesn’t offer you that and another would, it is far better that you go to Mass and get some spiritual benefit from it than leave feeling angry, upset or marginalised. Ever been to an Ordinariate use Mass? You may find it to your liking.

EMHCs are indeed Extraordinary ministers, though are routinely used to avoid prolonging the Mass by a few minutes. This is an almost universal problem as far as I can see. If you don’t want to serve in this way anymore that is fine and there are other ways to serve. Maybe try altar serving, I find that very rewarding.
Peter,

Your response is very true, especially for my life. At the other parish, there’s a monthly Latin Novus Ordo Mass offered facing East (the High Altar) and it’s very humbling, yet awe-invoking to experience. I’m actually serving there this coming Sunday for the first time, as an altar server that is. It’s very similar to the TLM, just with a few differences (ex. most of the prayers in the Mass are offered out loud rather than silent, nothing major) This is the same for my home parish, the pastor wants 5 EMHCs to not make the Mass longer, but a substantial portion of people who go up only go for a blessing, and the difference in time is not major. I think they want the Mass to last at most 45 minutes on a Sunday. Sure, there’s a Mass at 1PM, as the Mass I’m talking about starts at 11:30 and ends now roughly around 12:20-25, even 12:15 since the Gloria is not said during Lent. What I don’t understand is the rush to finish Mass. People equate a longer, more faithful Mass with something dull and boring, where the priest does all the work. It doesn’t have to be like that. It’s so bad that what you do internally at the Mass is secondary and the externals are primary. Not wanting to serve constitutes being “lazy” and not wanting to do what God calls you to do. I often think that it’s what people want you to do that makes up God’s calling for your life, since they sense that “you’ll be a great________ and we want you here!”
 
The use of EMHC is not the problem, it’s the lack of ordained ministers. In many churches there is only the priest celebrating Mass and he can’t administer both the Body and Blood of Christ at the same time. Could you imagine the priest being the only one giving Communion at Sunday Mass. It would be nice if there was an army of clergy and seminarians serving communion at every Mass. And even religious brothers and sisters serving Communion would be great, but they too are lacking in numbers in most places in the US. The truth is, it’s probably less about the length of Mass and more about the priest getting tired.

As for your situation, it’s always good to find spiritual fulfillment especially with the Mass. However, leaving a church because it’s not interesting or not your style isn’t the best decision either. That’s what lapse Catholics do when they don’t like the Church, they just leave because it’s not fulfilling them. Going to a church you don’t like is a cross to bear. Learn to love the Mass however it’s celebrated. When you’re content with the style, then move on to experience new things and grow your faith.
 
Dear friends,

My name is Juan, and I am a young person that took a training to become an EMHC two years ago. Ever since, I’ve felt that it’s use, especially in my parish, is regular and perhaps exhaustive. I understand that we may be called to help in extraordinary circumstances, not regularly. I had a debate with my mother about this, telling her that it should be a priest’s privilege to give the Body of Christ, but
Juan;

Both priests and deacons are ordinary minister of Holy Communion.

The proper people to distribute communion are both priests and deacons.

-Tim-
 
To be honest I also was a bit discouraged when I saw 7 EMHC in my parish at every mass, when usually in Germany they would have at most 2, and very often none. In Germany we also genuflect or even take the Eucharist while kneeling, which here is discouraged due to time, but the way we take Eucharist there is also different.

But on the other hand my parish has over 100 people in each mass, sometimes even more than 250, and although there are 5 ordained ministers, because there are 4 masses each weekend, you only usually see one or 2 ministers.
This speaks more to how big the Parish is and how few ministers there are.

I don’t think EMHC are bad, and although I voted for “Possibly not”, I don’t think what is currently done is necessarily bad.

By the way, I am also sort of a young person (just turned 30) that is helping as an EMHC.

God Bless,
D.
 
The use of EMHC is not the problem, it’s the lack of ordained ministers. In many churches there is only the priest celebrating Mass and he can’t administer both the Body and Blood of Christ at the same time. Could you imagine the priest being the only one giving Communion at Sunday Mass. It would be nice if there was an army of clergy and seminarians serving communion at every Mass. And even religious brothers and sisters serving Communion would be great, but they too are lacking in numbers in most places in the US. The truth is, it’s probably less about the length of Mass and more about the priest getting tired.

As for your situation, it’s always good to find spiritual fulfillment especially with the Mass. However, leaving a church because it’s not interesting or not your style isn’t the best decision either. That’s what lapse Catholics do when they don’t like the Church, they just leave because it’s not fulfilling them. Going to a church you don’t like is a cross to bear. Learn to love the Mass however it’s celebrated. When you’re content with the style, then move on to experience new things and grow your faith.
Thank you for your response, mikeeh. I might have to stress this point again, I am not leaving because I don’t like the style of such and such priest, but rather that the substance is sadly lacking. I am often misunderstood when it comes to something like this because the issue is much deeper than what I can describe. The priests at my “home” parish aren’t heretics, nor am I expecting them to be like Venerable Fulton J Sheen, but sometimes they err like once saying “other non-Catholic Christians follow the Word of God like us” which in fact is not completely true, and emphasize their ministry towards quality of life issues in the neighborhood and immigration more than our spiritual needs it becomes a bit problematic. I need at least some time to grow myself, rather than to help other people grow because my fields are drying up a bit.
 
I agree with you, they are overused. Once I attended a mass in Manhattan wher the priest didn’t distribute communion at all, that was weird.

My parish has three for the early morning weekday mass. Your lucky if there is 30 people there total.

I’m not going to try to argue any fine points with you. If your heart is saying no, if you’ve prayed on it and feel like the Holy Spirit is pushing you elsewhere, then don’t be afraid. Do what you are called to do.

God bless you Juan!
 
There are extraordinary ministers at almost every Mass in my parish. I always try to receive directly from the priest though. I prefer to kneel and receive on the tongue when receiving Christ and my priest knows that I’m doing it the traditional way and he gives me Communion with no problems. But one time it was very packed and I couldn’t make my way through the crowd to the priest so I decided to just go to an extraordinary minister. I knelt to receive and I could immediately see that the extraordinary minister was confused as to what I was doing. He paused for a moment and well… it was super awkward and embarrassing. The other extraordinary minister next to us looked over and nodded to the one I was receiving from and I was able to receive Communion. This actually happened pretty recently too.
 
To be honest I also was a bit discouraged when I saw 7 EMHC in my parish at every mass, when usually in Germany they would have at most 2, and very often none. In Germany we also genuflect or even take the Eucharist while kneeling, which here is discouraged due to time, but the way we take Eucharist there is also different.

But on the other hand my parish has over 100 people in each mass, sometimes even more than 250, and although there are 5 ordained ministers, because there are 4 masses each weekend, you only usually see one or 2 ministers.
This speaks more to how big the Parish is and how few ministers there are.

I don’t think EMHC are bad, and although I voted for “Possibly not”, I don’t think what is currently done is necessarily bad.

By the way, I am also sort of a young person (just turned 30) that is helping as an EMHC.

God Bless,
D.
dskysmine, this is a very good observation. I would think that most people on this forum are generally aware that there is some abuse when it comes to this, where in parishes there are armies of EMHCs just to have the Mass finish sooner. Part of it is because some people go up for a blessing, therefore making the line much longer. Another part is that sadly, no judgment made here, some people go up to Communion disbelieving the Real Presence. This isn’t my job to tell who is or who isn’t, but someone who willingly goes up to receive Communion knowing he/she is committing a grave sin (ex. the politician who actively supports abortion services).

I think the problem in today’s day is the fact that many priests are scared to speak up about these things, and I think they’re right if they do so, unlike other people in the pews who are fast to call them “judgmental”. For those people like that, tell your doctor that when you have a disease and see how it goes. Sometimes, we do have to bear a cross and hear the truth even if it hurts initially. I don’t mean, however, go around telling people “you’re all going to hell” because Christ never showed us such a way. People who think that the Church treated sinners like that in the past are wrong. It’s sad that so many people have developed a “self-hate” for the faith, knowing the faith has been at it with the world for 2,000 years. The Church has been through it before, it can (perhaps slowly, but surely) rise again!

Anyways, you’re young to me my friend, don’t worry! 😃 God bless.
 
There are extraordinary ministers at almost every Mass in my parish. I always try to receive directly from the priest though. I prefer to kneel and receive on the tongue when receiving Christ and my priest knows that I’m doing it the traditional way and he gives me Communion with no problems. But one time it was very packed and I couldn’t make my way through the crowd to the priest so I decided to just go to an extraordinary minister. I knelt to receive and I could immediately see that the extraordinary minister was confused as to what I was doing. He paused for a moment and well… it was super awkward and embarrassing. The other extraordinary minister next to us looked over and nodded to the one I was receiving from and I was able to receive Communion. This actually happened pretty recently too.
thephilosopher6, that’s a very beautiful practice. If people actually knew what kneeling signifies…the practice of kneeling is a practice of humility. People who think highly of themselves would never kneel because they would want people to kneel before them. With that said, I don’t understand the fact that some people say that such a gesture is “disruptive” and dare I say “off-putting” because in actuality it isn’t. We kneel before kings, and why not toward the King of the Universe?

That said, more people like you need to remain in the Church, rather than hide somewhere in a corner and start ranting about how the Church is failing Her children. I’ve heard it all, people should leave the New Mass because it’s evil and it caused a grave loss of faith. I have an idea, why don’t you start working in a parish, sure, you may continue to attend the TLM however often you go, but be present at least once in a while in some NO parish somewhere? People have no idea how much those around them will catch on to the little things you do, growing themselves in the faith. That’s why although I am on a hiatus with my “home” parish, I don’t disappear from it. I’m trying to go every other week, and I’m there every Sunday helping the Confirmation program run.
 
One of the more popular complaints on CAF appears to be the “overuse” of EMHCs.

For starters, it is not a decision the laity has any authority over, or ability to make the call

That authority belongs to the pastor. Currently there are about as many priests in the US as there are parishes - 17,000+.

And the authority of the priest to decide the issue is subject to the authority of the bishop. Some bishops have limited the use of EMHCs. It would appear that most bishops have not. And that is entirely within their legitimate authority.
 
Dear friends,

My name is Juan, and I am a young person that took a training to become an EMHC two years ago. Ever since, I’ve felt that it’s use, especially in my parish, is regular and perhaps exhaustive. I understand that we may be called to help in extraordinary circumstances, not regularly.
Keep in mind, the name Extraordinary Minister isn’t because they are used only in extraordinary circumstances.

It is because they are not Ordinary Ministers. Ordinary Ministers are Priests, Deacons, Bishops, etc.
 
One of the more popular complaints on CAF appears to be the “overuse” of EMHCs.

For starters, it is not a decision the laity has any authority over, or ability to make the call

That authority belongs to the pastor. Currently there are about as many priests in the US as there are parishes - 17,000+.

And the authority of the priest to decide the issue is subject to the authority of the bishop. Some bishops have limited the use of EMHCs. It would appear that most bishops have not. And that is entirely within their legitimate authority.
^^^^^^This
 
thephilosopher6, that’s a very beautiful practice. If people actually knew what kneeling signifies…the practice of kneeling is a practice of humility. People who think highly of themselves would never kneel because they would want people to kneel before them. With that said, I don’t understand the fact that some people say that such a gesture is “disruptive” and dare I say “off-putting” because in actuality it isn’t. We kneel before kings, and why not toward the King of the Universe?

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The practice of following the legitimate exercise of a bishop’s authority in matters of liturgy is also an act of humility.
 
In my opinion it would be better if we could rely on the Ordinary Ministers, the priest and deacons, but I have been to few Masses where they were in sufficient supply.😃 The only time that happens is when the bishop is at the Mass. So I would say that we are a long way from not needing EMHC’s.

I don’t believe that we need the laity to serve in that capacity to make them feel involved in Mass. It should be from absolute need.

By the way at our parish we have 16 EMHC’s per Sunday Mass.

Let’s pray for vocations.
 
Some possibilities:
  1. The priest or deacon can indeed distribute communion under both species simultaneously, by intinction.
  2. In large parishes with many communicants, communion can be distributed under one species only. Around here, that is quite common.
 
In most cases, “Eucharistic Ministers” are not actually necessary at all.

One does not need to both consume the Host and drink from the Chalice in order to fully receive Holy Communion. By establishing that (see the Council of Trent), we eliminate half the problem. Why, then, are EMHCs still deemed necessary? So that the entire parish can commune in under 3 minutes, and everyone can rush out to scarf down coffee and donuts? Please. If the Communion of the Faithful takes 10 minutes or more, so be it. A little extra prayer won’t hurt anyone. Trading reverence for timeliness is absurd, and further belittles the importance of the Sacrifice which we witness on the altar.
 
In most cases, “Eucharistic Ministers” are not actually necessary at all.

One does not need to both consume the Host and drink from the Chalice in order to fully receive Holy Communion. By establishing that (see the Council of Trent), we eliminate half the problem. Why, then, are EMHCs still deemed necessary? So that the entire parish can commune in under 3 minutes, and everyone can rush out to scarf down coffee and donuts? Please. If the Communion of the Faithful takes 10 minutes or more, so be it. A little extra prayer won’t hurt anyone. Trading reverence for timeliness is absurd, and further belittles the importance of the Sacrifice which we witness on the altar.
Wow - receiving the Cup, something which Christ gave us and the bishops of the world have recommended - is a problem?

Our entire parish has never been to one Mass on Sunday, and would not fit into our church, as we have four Masses. And Communion has never, as long as I have been there (27 years) been distributed in 3 minutes.

Yes, theologically, one does not have to consume both Species in order to receive, a heresy in existence well over 500 years ago; and we don’t need to fight a heresy that no longer is a significant issue.

But then, the bishops of the world have said that receiving under both Species is encouraged because it is a fuller sign of the Eucharist. Of course, pick and choose in terms of the advice the bishops give is synonymous not just with the liberals who have played that hand for so many years.

It is a privilege to receive under both Species; and it is amazing how many people would like to remove that privilege from the rest of us, the recommendations of the bishops of the world not withstanding.
 
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