EMHC as a norm - globally

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You made some very good points that at your church you have adequate number of clergy to distribute to the communicants. Ask your priest why he requires so many assistants.** I think his answer will be that he doesn’t want to disappoint the EMHCs. Once a privilege is allowed, it is hard to turn back to the old way. **People are always in a hurry. If your church is used to having so many distributors, the people will resent the extra time required by having so many. It’s not very devout, but most people aren’t, as you see by so few at confession.
How true. Some have called it a privilege and others an honor. It is both, but it is not a right. The instruction, Immensae Caritatis, has made that quite clear. Some of the laity believe it is their “job” to the point they are resentful if asked to step down because a deacon is in the pews. This entire concept has become a way to involve the parishioners in more “ministry” and that is most unfortunate. And we have completely lost our perspective of time. “Unduly prolonged” is not an extra 5 minutes.
 
How true. Some have called it a privilege and others an honor. It is both, but it is not a right. The instruction, Immensae Caritatis, has made that quite clear. Some of the laity believe it is their “job” to the point they are resentful if asked to step down because a deacon is in the pews. This entire concept has become a way to involve the parishioners in more “ministry” and that is most unfortunate. And we have completely lost our perspective of time. “Unduly prolonged” is not an extra 5 minutes.
Unduly prolonged isn’t even a “pretend” excuse in some parishes I know. They have no interest in getting out of mass quickly. Holy Communion is rushed, by the use of EMHCs, to allow time for the lengthy 15+ minute announcements, birthday wishes, loud happy birthday choruses, special speakers, fundraiser videos, etc which dominate the time between Holy Communion and the final blessing.

In one parish in the DR, Holy Communion was over in under 2 minutes (thanks to EMHCs), but then we were held captive for 15+ minutes as a group of women broke out into spontaneous charismatic prayer. The priest said nothing. There is no pretense of trying to speed up mass…its just a matter of saving time for “other priorities” rather than prolonging Holy Communion itself.
 
It’s not a question of spending 15-20 minutes with our Lord. That’s not the issue.

The issue is spending 15-20 minutes in a traffic jam in the parking lot (no fun if you have a carload of hungry, tired children).

Many parishes (e.g., my parish) have multiple Masses on Saturday and Sunday, and there are traffic and parking issues necessitating a gap of at least a half hour between each Mass.

Masses start at 6:30 a.m. on Sunday in my parish and the Masses are full (standing room only). If every Mass was extended by 15 minutes, the last Mass of the morning would finish at 2:45 p.m.

Frankly, I think many people would find that schedule rather difficult, and not because they don’t want to spend time with Jesus.
You will notice in my post that I mentioned exceptions, so obviously your parish is one of those (not sure if yours falls under megachurch, but it follows the same principle). In these cases, there are probably no alternatives to EMHCs, but for the majority of Catholic Churches (at least the ones I have attended), this is not an issue.

As an aside, I have 6 children of my own under the age of 13, so I do know what it’s like to have a van-load of hungry, tired children in a traffic jam after Mass.
 
The fact is most parishes know how many parishioners will be at Mass.

For example, we know that we will have approximately 1,000 people at our morning Mass.

So, we schedule EMHCs.

If we aren’t suppose to schedule them, what are we suppose to do?

Wait until we have enough priests? Deacons? Knowing that both of those can take years to prepare. Call people up to help, every weekend?

There just isn’t a good answer.
You know, one of the priests in our city decided that EMHC were just not needed. They had a large Mass as well. He said that a parish that size had no excuse to not have deacons enough to handle the Blood. So, he distributes the Body and a deacon distributes the blood. No more EMHCs. It has worked very well and extended Mass by about 10 minutes max. He had promised to shorten his homilies but that never seemed to pan out.😉 For 10 minutes it was worth it. And it looks and feels better. I know that some parishes seem to be in love with hour Masses, and scheduling them tightly on Sundays. perhaps we need to think that we may not be more special needs than the entire history of the Church and realize that people have died and indeed today are dying just to try to get to a Mass, any Mass.

I just don’t buy that we have so totally subdued the earth with Catholics in a state of Grace that we need to commission laity to make a deadline.🤷
  • Let it be noted that EMHCs are allowed and completely in conformity of the Church.
 
I will name the places I have attended Mass and if there were EMHC

All over the US. EMHC almost exclusively.
Mexico: None
Italy: None
Canada: EMHC
France: None
Namibia: None
Germany: Honestly cannot remember.

Note, that is not to say that those countries may not do it but rather that the Masses I attended did not.
 
I will name the places I have attended Mass and if there were EMHC

All over the US. EMHC almost exclusively.
Mexico: None
Italy: None
Canada: EMHC
France: None
Namibia: None
Germany: Honestly cannot remember.

Note, that is not to say that those countries may not do it but rather that the Masses I attended did not.
Cultures and their catechesis do vary.
Some priests in Mexico definitely have a dim view of the laity for such matters. The last time I was there, the confessor chased a woman out of the church and told her never to return to the confessional. Apparently she had not repented enough. 🤷
Italy has plenty of priests to go around.
France? Not many people in line in the first place. Churches pretty well empty.
Namibia? No clue. But I’m guessing there is little training for lay people.
Germany? Probably fairly concerned with appropriate implementation of rules.
Here in the U.S. there is definitely a spirit of empowering the laity. Some people see this as bad, others are not so troubled by it. We keep hearing about a lack of vocations…
It really doesn’t bother me one way or another. I’m not in any hurry to leave, I love Mass, any Mass. What bothers me most is not having enough time AFTER communion to pray silently. I would appreciate that.
 
oh please.
I’m a DRE. I know what I need. I need more people. I can train people. That’s what I do. I need people to serve as an extra set of hands and an extra set of eyes in the Sunday school classes. St. Vincent DePaul needs people to count the collection money. We need women to launder the linens.
These things do take more than 45 minutes. And the require very little skillsets.
When people only want to do the fun stuff and the things that happen in the forefront?
**The ministries that serve the parish and community at large suffer. **
It takes effort to see where there’s a need though. You have to really care. A person who can distribute communion is fairly capable.
Pianistclare, I agree with you that you do not need any special skill for most ministries if any or what you are in need of.
You really do not. We may enjoy one more over the other,but that’s it.
I usually use your expression which I find sort of funny: what is needed is an extra set of hands,eyes,and legs! There is always somebody there to show you how to do it,and if training is necessary,they train you.
If help is needed,just step foward:The rest is good will and love.

So my moral support for Pianistclare ! :)No special skill required!
 
Working with youth or St. Vincent de Paul or the Prison ministry is not a matter of “taking more time.”

These are specialty ministries required a specific set of skills that many of us simply do not have.

Youth ministry in particular requires the ability to identify and communicate with teenagers and strike the balance between being a friend and being a mentor. It does teens no good when an adult is a “buddy” who is unable to correct them and guide them. But it also does teens no good when an adult has a lot of knowledge about morals and good-decision making, but can’t relate to the teens or communicate to them.

Youth ministry also requires a lot of sheer nerve and savvy, because nowadays, there are so many safeguards that must be followed to prevent sexual abuses and charges (true or false) of sexual abuse. An adult’s life can be utterly ruined by a false accusation of sexual impropriety.

I agree with the concept that everyone in a parish should “take ownership.” It’s the concept used in Evangelical Protestant churches–gives someone a task, and they will show up to fulfill that task because they know that others are counting on them. I believe that many people leave church (Catholic and Protestant) because they don’t feel like there is any purpose to going, or that they “belong.” People like to have a “job to do” and feel like they are contributing to the Body Life of the Church, as well as serving the Lord Jesus.

But people should seek to learn what their spiritual gifts are (see the lists in I Corinthians 12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4), and get involved in ministries that will make use of their spiritual gifts. Everything works well when we do the jobs that we are gifted to do, not just the jobs that need to be done. But when people try to do jobs that they aren’t gifted to do, things get unhappy.

And we need to remember that St. James said, “Let not many of us become teachers knowing that we shall incur a stricter judgment.”
 
St. Vincent de Paul or the Prison ministry is not a matter of “taking more time.”

These are specialty ministries required a specific set of skills that many of us simply do not have."
Cat,no special skill required here. It may be a question of personal preference but not specific skills.
What I have found people are more reluctant to is taking the responsibility to attend as a compromise . In my experience.
 
oh please.
I’m a DRE. I know what I need. I need more people. I can train people. That’s what I do. I need people to serve as an extra set of hands and an extra set of eyes in the Sunday school classes. St. Vincent DePaul needs people to count the collection money. We need women to launder the linens.
These things do take more than 45 minutes. And the require very little skillsets.
When people only want to do the fun stuff and the things that happen in the forefront?
**The ministries that serve the parish and community at large suffer. **
It takes effort to see where there’s a need though. You have to really care. A person who can distribute communion is fairly capable.
With respect, perhaps the problem is that the people in the pews don’t realize that they need no skills to work with youth, prisoners, or the poor. Maybe they should be told that all they will have to do is be “hands and eyes.”

I certainly didn’t realize that. I assumed that the workers would actually be doing something.

I stand by what I said for youth. I have personally seen people who got into trouble working with youth, not because they did anything “perverted,” but because someone accused them of it. It is too easy to get into trouble when working with teenagers. I think that anyone who is attempting to recruit youth sponsors and workers needs to address this straight out and explain how the ADULTS will be protected and will not have to worry about losing their reputation, their livelihood (they will be fired if they are accused of sexual improprieties), their money (to pay for lawyers), and possibly their freedom (if jailed).

I’ve seen it happen. It’s happening to one of my dear friends at this very moment, and it’s breaking my heart and shortening my life. I can’t see how my friend is bearing it. There was a suicide attempt, which my husband and I thwarted by dashing to our friend’s house in the middle of the night.

Anyway, pianistclare, when adults hear about situations like this, they lose all interest in working with youth. Can you blame them? It’s terrifying.

But seriously, make sure that the people know that they don’t have to do anything to work with the prisoners or with the poor. That will help them to not be afraid to volunteer.

Oh, one more thing–many people want NOTHING to do with working with money. I am one of those people. I won’t go NEAR any kind of organizational treasury! I wouldn’t even want to be an usher (my husband is an usher) because they have to take up the offering. I do not want my hands on ANY church money. Big alarm bells.

And I’m guessing that others probably feel exactly the same way–nothing to do with money. It’s not laziness or complacency–it’s caution!

And just one more thing–if you are looking for volunteers, it would be good to not use the phrase, “Oh Please!” That’s rather confrontational. Volunteers have to be wooed with kindness. Many of them are scared to death to step out of their comfort zone, and if the person in charge of volunteers uses a catty phrase, that might cause people to say, “No thanks, I don’t need more conflict in my life.”

Many of us are already overcommitted in our secular lives (outside of the Church), and to say “Yes” to a church commitment needs to be something that will enrich our life, not introduce more conflict.

Personally, I don’t know why anyone would ever want to be an EMHC. What a thankless job! It seems that so many Catholics bear them such ill-will simply for doing what the priest has asked them to do. I would never want to put myself in a position to face such scorn from fellow Christians. It’s hard enough playing the piano/organ. Every week, I just know that someone out there is looking daggers at me and wondering why I don’t leave and let a good schola come in and do Gregorian chant. What I do is cling to the authority of the priest–if he says I’m OK, then I’m OK.

In fact, that’s my reaction to this entire thread. It’s the priest’s call, not ours. If someone is sitting out in the pews stewing about the use of EMHCs, the Holy Spirit will be “quenched” in His work. We need to submit to the authority of the priest, not question and undermine his decisions.
 
Unduly prolonged isn’t even a “pretend” excuse in some parishes I know. They have no interest in getting out of mass quickly. Holy Communion is rushed, by the use of EMHCs, to allow time for the lengthy 15+ minute announcements, birthday wishes, loud happy birthday choruses, special speakers, fundraiser videos, etc which dominate the time between Holy Communion and the final blessing.
We do not have to contend with this at our parish, however, you have identified a condition that caused us to flee a former parish and, imo, is a cancer. How many cultural/contemporary Catholics can remember when a short time of silence was observed after communion. We have an obligation of the utmost importance to individually give thanksgiving. After the final note of the communion hymn (s) and the beginning of the profane there is no silence observed and where is the focus? One bishop, recently in the news, has aptly identified it for what it is…anthropocentrism.

One more thought - why does a general call come from the parish at the same time every year for even** more **EMHC’s to be trained? According to one person I know who does the scheduling, she can go for a six week period without using the same ones twice.
 
One more thought - why does a general call come from the parish at the same time every year for even** more **EMHC’s to be trained? According to one person I know who does the scheduling, she can go for a six week period without using the same ones twice.
General call? :eek:

Wow, our parish does not use a general call. Our pastor goes to each person he wants to invite and speaks privately with them. Asks them to pray about it, then invites them to training. From what I have seen (I work at the parish), they don’t have training for new EMHC every year. Only when needed.
 
General call? :eek:

Wow, our parish does not use a general call. Our pastor goes to each person he wants to invite and speaks privately with them. Asks them to pray about it, then invites them to training. From what I have seen (I work at the parish), they don’t have training for new EMHC every year. Only when needed.
Our parish has a general call for everything from EMHCs, catechists, readers, ushers and musicians/choir members. We will do training for readers and EMHCs every year if new ones show up but the training is basically “Do this”, “Don’t do that”. No theology, no catechesis. That’s why I’ve seen EMHCs toss back the rest of the Precious Blood like they were doing a shot as they were walking to back to the sacristy. :eek:
 
General call? :eek:

Wow, our parish does not use a general call. Our pastor goes to each person he wants to invite and speaks privately with them. Asks them to pray about it, then invites them to training. From what I have seen (I work at the parish), they don’t have training for new EMHC every year. Only when needed.
Thank you for posting this and your pastor must be a gem but as you said earlier, parishes are different. Yours is how it should be, but sadly, I do not think it the norm as the consensus around here is anyone wishing to serve, should be allowed to serve and consistent training time be scheduled. You’ve made me remember something else when we lived in a different state, several years ago. If anyone wanted to be an EMHC, it was assumed that these people had a great love for the Eucharist and it was an unspoken rule and highly promoted that anyone serving in this capacity, surely “wouldn’t mind” also be an a scheduled adorer in the Adoration chapel since we had perpetual Eucharistic Adoration. We used to joke that this tactic was somewhat shameless but it usually worked! 😉
 
I don’t mean any disrespect here, but I’ve been told that a major reason why some parishes use a lot of EMHCs here in the United States is because in some parishes, they are mostly women. In the parishes where they are mostly women, some priests are afraid to take it away from them. This is also why in the USA, there are few Instituted Acolytes and Lectors, and one reason permanent Deacon candidates are instituted towards the end of their time in the seminary, not early on.

Also in the US, parish councils have a lot more power than they do in other counties. I know that in my parish (for example) our Pastor is very keen on providing the Precious Blood at Mass. But we don’t do it on Sunday Mass because the Parish Committee doesn’t want it, not because the Pastor doesn’t want to do it. We also (due to the Parish Committee) don’t use “Lord Hear our Prayer” on Sundays too; and the Lay Lectors add a brief summary before each reading (perhaps from the Children’s Lectionary or not even licit???). The point is, that today, many Pastors allow things based on the direction or influence of the Parish Council - not always based on their personal views.

In Catholic Countries, the idea of the Parish Council (which is more Protestant) either doesn’t exist or rarely address liturgy.

The Archdiocese of Philadelphia has some interesting history regarding parish councils from back in the 1700s. One parish was temporarily shut down by the Bishop because they wanted to pick their own priests or at least have a veto like Protestant congregations did.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying that Parish Councils are bad or EHMCs are bad, etc. What I’m saying is that Parish Priests should not be afraid to turn down advise from Parish Councils and that the Councils should be more concerned with social and financial issues, and less with liturgy.
 
Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying that Parish Councils are bad or EHMCs are bad, etc. What I’m saying is that Parish Priests should not be afraid to turn down advise from Parish Councils and that the Councils should be more concerned with social and financial issues, and less with liturgy.
As Cardinal Arinze said in one of his videos, these liturgical committees should spend more time saying the rosary and reading Church documents. This was I believe in relationship to liturgical dancing and such, but the principle is the same.
 
As Cardinal Arinze said in one of his videos, these liturgical committees should spend more time saying the rosary and reading Church documents. This was I believe in relationship to liturgical dancing and such, but the principle is the same.
Well said.
 
Thank you for posting this and your pastor must be a gem but as you said earlier, parishes are different. Yours is how it should be, but sadly, I do not think it the norm as the consensus around here is anyone wishing to serve, should be allowed to serve and consistent training time be scheduled. You’ve made me remember something else when we lived in a different state, several years ago. If anyone wanted to be an EMHC, it was assumed that these people had a great love for the Eucharist and it was an unspoken rule and highly promoted that anyone serving in this capacity, surely “wouldn’t mind” also be an a scheduled adorer in the Adoration chapel since we had perpetual Eucharistic Adoration. We used to joke that this tactic was somewhat shameless but it usually worked! 😉
It is my understanding that EMHC are appointed by the Pastor ,or referred to him as a possibility and also that there are certain conditions to be given permission to become one.At least in my experience.And also that after a couple of years,this commitment can be renewed or relieved. Also,in my experience,the number has been limited.
You can serve in different ways,and anyone wishing to serve can do so. In fact,we are called to serve in our little way.
And IMHO it would be better ,as members of one family,to try not to overdo it in terms of believing or leading other people to believe this is a " privilege" if this term sets us apart from the rest of our brothers and sisters. It is not objectively true either. They is nothing special at all about us,it is all about Him.
I have not been an EMHC during Mass,only Visitation ministry.
God bless you.
 
And IMHO it would be better ,as members of one family,to try not to overdo it in terms of believing or leading other people to believe this is a " privilege" if this term sets us apart from the rest of our brothers and sisters. It is not objectively true either. They is nothing special at all about us,it is all about Him.
I agree with this.

Pew dwellers who choose to say only a spiritual communion can be of the same value to the concept of actual or real participation in the liturgy as those who serve in the sanctuary, other than the priest, of course. God loves all.
 
It is my understanding that EMHC are appointed by the Pastor ,or referred to him as a possibility and also that there are certain conditions to be given permission to become one.At least in my experience.And also that after a couple of years,this commitment can be renewed or relieved. Also,in my experience,the number has been limited.
You can serve in different ways,and anyone wishing to serve can do so. In fact,we are called to serve in our little way.
And IMHO it would be better ,as members of one family,to try not to overdo it in terms of believing or leading other people to believe this is a " privilege" if this term sets us apart from the rest of our brothers and sisters. It is not objectively true either. They is nothing special at all about us,it is all about Him.
I have not been an EMHC during Mass,only Visitation ministry.
God bless you.
When I first became an EMHC, back in the 80s, I received a letter from my Bishop telling me that the Pastor had requested my appointment and had vouched for my suitability. It stated that he was appointing me an EMHC for my parish according to the appropriate canon and it made clear that the appointment was only for my parish and nowhere else in the diocese (the Military Ordinariate, at the time) or any other diocese. The Pastor prepared a few of us for the ministry. Our next posting came in 1988 and with every posting for the next 11 years, a simple “anyone who wants to be an EMCH sign the sheet at the back” was the way to do things.

Only once have I ever heard someone question their own suitability, a divorced woman who was neither remarried nor cohabiting who questioned whether her divorce was an impediment to her participation in the ministry. She was assured by the pastor that there was no problem.

In most parishes the only ‘training’ was watching what other EMHCs did. Only in my present parish was there any group training and even that was a ‘do this/don’t do that’ type of thing. Nothing theological. I tried to remedy that when I became chair of the Liturgy Committee but nobody was interested. Early on in this parish I started to read documents, documents that, like probably most PIP, I had no idea existed. My first action when I came to realize how they were misused in the parish, was to quit being an EMHC. I’d train them to the best of my ability but I wouldn’t be one. That has worked for me.
 
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