EMHC's in sanctuary?

[BrianDay]

As far as the “robes” are concerned, were they albs?

From the GIRM:
119. In the sacristy, the sacred vestments (cf. below, nos. 337-341) for the priest, the deacon, and other ministers are to be prepared according to the various forms of celebration:

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*]For the priest: the alb, the stole, and the chasuble;

*]For the deacon: the alb, the stole, and the dalmatic; the dalmatic may be omitted, however, either out of necessity or on account of a lesser degree of solemnity;

*]For the other ministers: albs or other lawfully approved attire.96

All who wear an alb should use a cincture and an amice unless, due to the form of the alb, they are not needed.

Looking at “C” above, I see a case for EMHCs, Lectors/Readers, and servers wearing albs during Mass, especially when inappropriate dress by EMHCs and readers is a reoccuring problem.

 

[CD4]

deogratias:

Gotta love those liturgists - NOT!

NOT is right…You would think that a liturgist would be “up” on this kind of thing, wouldn’t you?

**Our way of distributing Holy Communion was finally changed, to reflect the new directions in GIRM…There are no longer any “stations” in the back of the church…Everyone comes forward, toward the altar, as it should be. It’s the next best thing to having an altar rail… **

 

[PASCENDI]

Marauder:

That isn’t really an appropriate attitude either. From Archbishop Chaput.

Link

Chaput also likened Justice Scalia and the Death Penalty to Frances Kessling and abortion.

 

[PASCENDI]

rfk:

Here are some relevant paragraphs from Redemptionis Sacramentum on extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion.

Quite interesting, eh. I know some people who act as if it is their permanently defined means of participation, rather than realizing that the presence of EMHC is actually evidence of an urgent need for more priests. I think when you have gone to the step of purchasing robes, is no longer have the character of being “provisional”.

Hardly anything “provisional” here

 

[rfk]

BrianDay:

As far as the “robes” are concerned,

For the other ministers: albs or other lawfully approved attire.96

Looking at “C” above, I see a case for EMHCs, Lectors/Readers, and servers wearing albs during Mass, especially when inappropriate dress by EMHCs and readers is a reoccuring problem.

But RS specifically clears up that ambiguity:

[153.]
Furthermore, it is never licit for laypersons to assume the role or the vesture of a Priest or a Deacon or other clothing similar to such vesture.

As my messages above covered, RS (which was issued after GIRM 3) goes to great lengths to combat blurring the lines between EMHC’s and ordained priests and deacons.

PASCENDI:

Hardly anything “provisional” here

Well, I guess one needs to look at time frames too. After all, within the context of a 2000 year-old Church, history has shown us it takes 50-100 years to “digest” the effects of an ecumenical Council. When we consider that it takes 7-10 years to train a new priest, and recognize that a parish does need to properly plan and organize upcoming weekend Masses, I can see the need for a schedule. Our parish publishes the EMHC list for the upcoming weekend in each week’s bulletin.

I do think someone needs to email Nancy Majerus at n.majerus@att.net and fill her in on Redemptionis Sacramentum (in all charity, of course):

[156.] This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known, that is to say, that of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, and not “special minister of Holy Communion” nor “extraordinary minister of the Eucharist” nor “special minister of the Eucharist”, by which names the meaning of this function is unnecessarily and improperly broadened.

I don’t have email on this PC, or I would do it.

PASCENDI, are you from SPX parish? I’ve actually gone to Mass there before.

 

[PASCENDI]

rfk:

PASCENDI, are you from SPX parish? I’ve actually gone to Mass there before.

No, though my screen name would be appropriate considering the name of the parish and the abuses. Fortunately, the diocese has a lot of much better parishes.

 

[ILdoc82]

At a friend’s new parish the EMHC’s sit in the sanctuary (in robes)! behind the priest during the entire Mass. She and her husband are both ministers and are uncomfortable with this. She asked me where to find the official guidelines regarding this, so I knew if I put it out there to you guys, you’d have the answer in no time! Thanks

You really need to get with the times. Apparently the Spirit of Vatican II means absolutely nothing to you.
In the Modern AmChurch, the priest is to be relegated to isolated duties (consecration, confession, etc) while the rest of the Church is to be run by womyn, including the Altar service, the distribution of the Consecrated Hosts and forming makeshift “ministries”.

 

[BrianDay]

rfk:

But RS specifically clears up that ambiguity:

As my messages above covered, RS (which was issued after GIRM 3) goes to great lengths to combat blurring the lines between EMHC’s and ordained priests and deacons.

rfk,

I hear you. Although a lector or EMHC in an alb will never be mistaken for a priest or deacon. At worst, they (Lector/EMHCs) might be mistaken for alter servers.