EMHC's still purifying?

[G_S]

My pastor said he was putting his foot down about the issue of EMHC’s not being allowed to purify the sacred vessels. Actually, they’ve never even been trained how to do it. He said he is still going to have them do it. I pointed out that an EMHC may wish to be obedient to the pope and that he was putting them in a difficult situation. He simply said that if someone objected, they could have the other EMHC do it. I’m interested to see how other parishes are handling this question.

 

[steve_green_2]

I’ve been attending a huge mass until Easter. No problem here.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Get rid of the super duper extra special pretend priests and you won’t have these ongoing abuses.

CDL

 

[CRW]

My pastor said he was putting his foot down about the issue of EMHC’s not being allowed to purify the sacred vessels. Actually, they’ve never even been trained how to do it. He said he is still going to have them do it. I pointed out that an EMHC may wish to be obedient to the pope and that he was putting them in a difficult situation. He simply said that if someone objected, they could have the other EMHC do it. I’m interested to see how other parishes are handling this question.

Our parish implemented the requirement immediately. You have several choices: 1) Obey your priest, 2) obey the ntent of the Pope and Holy See instruction and do not purify the vessels, 3) team up with all the EMHC and refuse to purify the vessels, 4) Remove yourself from the duties of EMHC (with others that feel the same), or 5) write the local bishops and provide the statements made by the priest as clearly as you can. Have as many of the current EMHC sign the letter, cc a copy of the original letter to the priest.

 

[decn2b]

I reluctantly purified the chalice I used. My deacon says even though he agrees that it is somthing that should not be done by the laity I can wait until my bishop executes his instrucitons to stop doing it.

 

[decn2b]

This brings up another matter…I personally (my opinoin only dont kill me for saying this) think it is time to stop offering the precious blood to the congregation like on EWTN. I know there are people out there who are sans gluten but perhaps a provision could be made for them ALONE! Jesus is present body blood sould and divinity in the Host. It is not practical to distribute the precious blood to the congregation. It was never an issue in the past why should it be now.

 

[G_S]

I reluctantly purified the chalice I used. My deacon says even though he agrees that it is somthing that should not be done by the laity I can wait until my bishop executes his instrucitons to stop doing it.

The instruction has been published in our diocesan paper. That seems like promulgation – except that the bishop and the vicar was in Africa at the time.

 

[decn2b]

The instruction was not published in our diocesan paper but it did have a news-story about it.In summary the news article was that the bishops will talk about it at their annual meeting. Does it have to be an instruction for me to stop doing it or is a simple news article enough. However my parish has not yet made provisions for the vessels. We have one instituted acolyte and I am pretty certain that only him and I are the only two who are even aware that EMHCs cannot purify. He said that he is only coming to one Mass per weekend and he has not been asked to do anything by our priest. In fact I have not heard a thing about this from our priest just a deacon friend that I mentioned this to.

 

[John_Lilburne]

Yes, you should stop during the purifications. The 2002 GIRM should be followed. The three year indult has expired.

Cardinal Arinze wrote that in a meeting of 9 June 2006 with Pope Benedict he was instructed to reply:

“… 4. Paragraph 279 of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal directs that the sacred vessels are to be purified by the priest, the deacon or an instituted acolyte. The status of this text as legislation has recently been clarified by the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. It does not seem feasible, therefore, for the Congregation to grant the requested indult from this directive in the general law of the Latin Church. …”

Cardinal Arinze does not have the authority to permit it. Nor does your bishop, parish priest or newspaper editor. Do what you can to educate those in your parish.

 

[palmas85]

This brings up another matter…I personally (my opinoin only dont kill me for saying this) think it is time to stop offering the precious blood to the congregation like on EWTN. I know there are people out there who are sans gluten but perhaps a provision could be made for them ALONE! Jesus is present body blood sould and divinity in the Host. It is not practical to distribute the precious blood to the congregation. It was never an issue in the past why should it be now.

Just an observation. I have found many who clamor to receive under both species are of two general groups, relatively new or poorly catechized Catholics and those who seek to see less of a ritualized form of worship, ie: more and more lay partcipation and less and less done by the ordained Priesthood. Of the first group an overwhelming number seem to believe that you receive more grace from receiving under both species and in fact feel cheated if they cannot do so… I well recall some of the postings here about how insulted they feel when the Chalice is not offered and the utter indignation in their posts. As I recall this belief was one of the major motivating factors in halting the distribution of the Precious Blood to the laity in th first place. Of the second group, I think that nothing less than the Host being consecrated by the whole congregation in unison will ever suffice for them along with the elimination of the ordained Priesthood…

Befpre the mobs start storming, I KNOW that these two groups don’t in any way represent all those who want to receive under both species. But they do represent a very large number of them.

I too agree that it is time for the Church to once again show its wisdom and withdraw the Chalice from the laity as it did in the past.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

As I understand we are on hold while the bishops consider this.

Currently they are busy with more important matters like the border fence, minimum wage, etc.

Have you noticed that they can solve some problems, like the war in Iraq, death penalty, etc in an hour or less. However, liturgical matters usually take at least three years of deep study.

 

[tequilamac]

As I understand we are on hold while the bishops consider this.

Currently they are busy with more important matters like the border fence, minimum wage, etc.

Have you noticed that they can solve some problems, like the war in Iraq, death penalty, etc in an hour or less. However, liturgical matters usually take at least three years of deep study.

Makes sense to me. Things of religion, of Christ, of sacredness, should take longer to discuss than secular issues, yes.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Spoke with my bishop today for Thanksgiving Mass.

He says it will be implenented throughout the Diocese of Sacramento.

Itll take about a year for all the parishes to respond.

but my Bishop assures me that at least half the parishes have already put their foot down so to speak.

Good News in my opinion.

 

[decn2b]

OK what am I supposed to do now? I am counted on by my priest quite often to be an EMHC…mostly becuase of my profuse reverence for the sacrament in handling it. However, it horrifies me what will happen in my parish . We have no psicina or scrarerium in our sacristy and I have nearly lost my marbles when I saw a lady EMHC in my parish dump the precious blood down into the sewer in the sink in the sacristy. I totally freaked out on her. (poor response by me but man it was a desparate situation) She was totally ignorant of the whole deal and I am quite certain she has not understanding of the Real presence. She is just a prominant member of our parish who the priest selected to be EMHC. DO I tell my priest that I will no longer be avail for EMHC or do I continue to do it and refuse to purify which means the chalice that I have will go for a week without being cleaned. I am dead certain of this.

 

[John_Lilburne]

OK what am I supposed to do now? I am counted on by my priest quite often to be an EMHC…mostly becuase of my profuse reverence for the sacrament in handling it. However, it horrifies me what will happen in my parish . We have no psicina or scrarerium in our sacristy and I have nearly lost my marbles when I saw a lady EMHC in my parish dump the precious blood down into the sewer in the sink in the sacristy. I totally freaked out on her. (poor response by me but man it was a desparate situation) She was totally ignorant of the whole deal and I am quite certain she has not understanding of the Real presence. She is just a prominant member of our parish who the priest selected to be EMHC. DO I tell my priest that I will no longer be avail for EMHC or do I continue to do it and refuse to purify which means the chalice that I have will go for a week without being cleaned. I am dead certain of this.

Perhaps you refuse to be an EMHC in situations where your are concerned that the purification will not be done be priest, deacon or instituted acolyte.
Perhaps you can convince the priest to do the purification. Perhaps you can publicise your refusal to the extent that the priest will be convinced he should do the purification.
Perhaps you can convince other EMHCs to follow the 2002 GIRM, which may convince the priest to do the purification.

According to the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum: “[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.”

 

[Asperges_Me]

I reluctantly purified the chalice I used. My deacon says even though he agrees that it is somthing that should not be done by the laity I can wait until my bishop executes his instrucitons to stop doing it.

Any EMHC that considers themselves in Communion with Rome and is aware of Cardinal Arinze’s letter should simply refuse to purify the chalices and resign if need be. If every EMHC in the parish did so, the pastor would have to comply, wouldn’t he?

This is obedience pure and simple. Obedience is not just an issue of kneeling when your bishop says to, or having to put up with all kinds of innovations because no bishop has the guts to do anything about them. Spare me all of the whining about the letter has to get to the bishop who has to staff it then get some implementation guidance out to the parishes who’s pastor then has to interpret it and figure out if and when he is going to comply blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

The words are there in black and white for any intelligent person to read. No explanations are necessary.

I would bet that the people who howl the most about this directive are the ones that shriek the loudest about the SSPX being in schism.

 

[tequilamac]

Spoke with my bishop today for Thanksgiving Mass.

He says it will be implenented throughout the Diocese of Sacramento.

Itll take about a year for all the parishes to respond.

but my Bishop assures me that at least half the parishes have already put their foot down so to speak.

Good News in my opinion.

Yes. Good news. Did you discuss only the purification of the vessels? Or did he mention the new catechism with the changes int he creed? I am curious as to when the Sacramento Diocese will return to saying “I believe” rather than “We believe”.
Bishop Weigand and Bishop Garcia have been to our parish twice in the past year and we have heard nothing of any change. Thanks.

 

[G_S]

OK what am I supposed to do now? I am counted on by my priest quite often to be an EMHC…mostly becuase of my profuse reverence for the sacrament in handling it. However, it horrifies me what will happen in my parish . We have no psicina or scrarerium in our sacristy and I have nearly lost my marbles when I saw a lady EMHC in my parish dump the precious blood down into the sewer in the sink in the sacristy. I totally freaked out on her. (poor response by me but man it was a desparate situation) She was totally ignorant of the whole deal and I am quite certain she has not understanding of the Real presence. She is just a prominant member of our parish who the priest selected to be EMHC. DO I tell my priest that I will no longer be avail for EMHC or do I continue to do it and refuse to purify which means the chalice that I have will go for a week without being cleaned. I am dead certain of this.

If a=you are soon to become a deacon, you are soon to become an instituted acolyte.

The penalty for pouring the Precious Blood down the sacrarium is automatic excommunication. A strong reaction seems appropriate. Automatic excommunications do not apply if the person commiting the offense is unaware of the penalty.

 

[palmas85]

Why should we expect Extraordinary Ministers to comply with anything that they don’t want to that comes from Rome? Why should Rome have anything to say about it? Hey we are all Priests aren’t we? We all have the same rights and duties of the ordained Priesthood don’t we? Don’t we all have consecrated hands? We’ve all been ordained as Priests through our Baptism into the Church right?

Why, not allowing them to purify vessels is downright insulting.:tsktsk:, and very uncharitable to boot. And why do we need those nasty old Priests for anyway? All they do is clutter things up and keep us, the true Priests from doing our duty. Luther had the right idea, every man a Priest. I say, de-frock them all, and let us claim our true positions!!! And while we’re at it lets give our beloved Extraordinary Ministers even more them more responsibilities:thumbsup: After all, there is no distiction between them, us and the Priests anyway.

OR IS THERE?

 

[decn2b]

It has been taken care of by me. The director f diocesan liturgy (a deacon) was emailed today and it appears that I have nothing to worry about. I am almost certain that we will not be purifying vessels in my parish. In the mean time I am refraining from the duty of EMCH…even if I get that look from m priest during mass to come and help. I will heads up him in advance. HOWEVER my freind who is an instituted acolyte told me he woud purify my vessles for me if need be. So I am in the go.