"Employment Non-Discrimination Act" (ENDA) Has Passed the House!

[neat62]

I have a master’s degree and I graduated in the top ranks of my class. It’s not like I’m not qualified.

I have the right to not be harassed too. Often as soon as they find out, if they DON’T fire me. I get sexual harassment more or less from the men, and forbidden to use any bathroom in the building, things like that. Bodily functions are sort of necessary. Should it be legal for them to tell me I can’t pee anywhere when I work? I am not even afforded basic human decency.

And so why haven’t your filed a harassment suit with any of your previous employers?? As there are laws that protect YOU already.

 

[pathia]

Perhaps…but then again, I don’t know what sort of work ethic you have…you could be someone who just thinks everything is"owed" to you simply because you are “educated”…doesn’t mean you are going to be a good fit for the position I am going to fill.

And again, lots of people have male names, but are female…heck today we have kids walking around with none gender specific names, like APPLE! So that’s a weak argument…perhaps you were let go because your role was no longer needed…or maybe you didn’t fulfill your duties and obligations…or maybe they found someone cheaper to do the same work as you…etc., etc. Its pretty hard to provide positive evidence that you were let go because of your “background”…also…let me remind you there are laws that prohibit the amount of information that can be revealed to an employer…and umm…YEA…I know a little bit about it, as I have been a Director of HR for over 10 years!

I was let go because I was transsexual. They outright told me it in some cases. Since it’s not illegal to fire me for that, they had no reason to lie.

I am a hard worker, don’t try to presume my work ethic. When I can’t get a job because people fire me this way I go out and mow grass and dig ditches and do hard physical landscaping work, as its what I did in my youth for summer money.

I am not averse to working hard, please don’t shove ideas down my throat, you know nothing about me.

 

[pathia]

And so why haven’t your filed a harassment suit with any of your previous employers?? As there are laws that protect YOU already.

No there are not. Transsexuals do not have the right to file sexual harassment claims, they are always thrown out. There are fewer laws on the books for transsexual than there are for gays and lesbians. There is a federal case going on now that may change that, but it isn’t the case at the moment.

I’ve contacted the ACLU and various groups. There is no precedent, I cannot sue.

 

[Tim_Hayes]

Whether born or developed the simple fact is that being homosexual substanitailly inceases the risk to those under the age of consent by thousands of percent over strait people

All statistics can be rubbery if people have agendas that people want to foster, so we can be generous when we apply stats and the result will be the same.

Aprroximately 1-3% of population is homosexual yet approximately 5-20% of boys under the age of consent are sexually abused by males, in other words those of a homosexual persuasion. So we can say that a couple of percent of the population is responsible for 5-10% of the population being abused.

Think about those odds and then tell me that anyone is not a fool to leave the care of children to people of a homosexual persuasion.

It makes me want to vomit when I hear the trash put forward by those who advocate the complete acceptance of homosexuality as an acceptable norm, that carries with it no real inherit risks or problems more so than a heterosexual orientation.

I loveeee the way people bandy around such words as homophobia as an attempt to brand someone as something bad.

It is very sad all round that people are homosexual and all that this entails in people lives for better or for worse.

The claim that homosexual make is that it is not their fault that they are the way they are, well the reaility is that paedophiles make the same claim, and coming from someone who has been involved in the investiation of such offences etc, I can tell you that on a philosphical level hardly anyone will debate me on reason alone when it comes to differences between what paedophiles claim and homosexuals claim because when it comes to the crunch and the reasoning starts no one from the homosexual position likes where the reasoning goes because it is too much pain to bear.

The reality is that people are different for all sorts of reasons and it just comes down to how much acceptance whould we have for those who are different from the norms.

It is a hard road to hoe for those operate outside standard norms, but unfortunately that will always be the case, no matter what we believe or think.

The real problme is that hate crimes no matter what type are based on peoples thinking. NOw we might not like what people think at times but hell, where do we stop.

If I bash someone because I bash them and they get a broken arm, why should I get a greater penalty if I bash someone else and break their arm but because I don’t like something about them.

 

[neat62]

I was let go because I was transsexual. They outright told me it in some cases. Since it’s not illegal to fire me for that, they had no reason to lie.

I am a hard worker, don’t try to presume my work ethic. When I can’t get a job because people fire me this way I go out and mow grass and dig ditches and do hard physical landscaping work, as its what I did in my youth for summer money.

I am not averse to working hard, please don’t shove ideas down my throat, you know nothing about me.

I’m not shoving anything down your throat, I am having a discussion with you…and perhaps it is this sort of “attitude” that has contributed to your difficulties, as you seem to be very quick to jump to the defense.

Again, I have asked you…how do you PROVE that you are what you say you are? And remember…there are LAWS that protect privacy, so don’t try to tell me that they followed you home one night…or the got into your medical records…or they put a camera in the bathroom to “catch” you…cause I won’t buy it.

 

[neat62]

No there are not. Transsexuals do not have the right to file sexual harassment claims, they are always thrown out. There are fewer laws on the books for transsexual than there are for gays and lesbians. There is a federal case going on now that may change that, but it isn’t the case at the moment.

I’ve contacted the ACLU and various groups. There is no precedent, I cannot sue.

Sorry, but there are sexual harassment laws on the books that protect ALL persons. For instance, here in CA we are a ZERO tolerance state…which means, basically, ANYONE who files a sexual harassment case will win, without much question or debate.

 

[pathia]

Again, I have asked you…how do you PROVE that you are what you say you are? And remember…there are LAWS that protect privacy, so don’t try to tell me that they followed you home one night…or the got into your medical records…or they put a camera in the bathroom to “catch” you…cause I won’t buy it.

NAME CHANGE. Think about it for just a few seconds. Name changes can be used for fraud. Therefore court ordered name changes are PUBLIC INFORMATION. Literally ANYONE can lookup my court records, corporation or not.

If you’re an HR Director you should know this sort of thing…

 

[pathia]

Sorry, but there are sexual harassment laws on the books that protect ALL persons. For instance, here in CA we are a ZERO tolerance state…which means, basically, ANYONE who files a sexual harassment case will win, without much question or debate.

I don’t live CA.

 

[neat62]

No there are not. Transsexuals do not have the right to file sexual harassment claims, they are always thrown out. There are fewer laws on the books for transsexual than there are for gays and lesbians. There is a federal case going on now that may change that, but it isn’t the case at the moment.

I’ve contacted the ACLU and various groups. There is no precedent, I cannot sue.

California Sexual Harassment Law:

The second type of sexual harassment is established when the workplace is permeated with discriminatory intimidation, ridicule and insult that is sufficiently severe or pervasive to alter the conditions of employment and create a “hostile” or “abusive” work environment. Both men and women may sue for sexual harassment. The harasser need not be of a different gender than the victim and the victim need not prove that the harasser was motivated by sexual attraction. This type of harassment most commonly manifests itself in numerous sexual or sexist comments, negative stereotypes about the victim’s gender, sexual jokes, propositions, lewd remarks or insults directed at one sex but not the other. If the comments are severe or frequent enough that the victim’s belief that his/her work environment is “hostile or abusive” is both objectively and subjectively reasonable, the law is violated. However, unless the victim considered the comments or conduct “unwelcome” at the time they occurred, there is no actionable claim for sexual harassment regardless of the severity of the conduct

 

[neat62]

NAME CHANGE. Think about it for just a few seconds. Name changes can be used for fraud. Therefore court ordered name changes are PUBLIC INFORMATION. Literally ANYONE can lookup my court records, corporation or not.

If you’re an HR Director you should know this sort of thing…

That’s not true at all and again, NAME CHANGE…doesn’t PROVE anything…as many people have MALE/FEMALE names and are the opposite gender…I gave the example of my niece, KEVAN!

 

[pathia]

That’s not true at all and again, NAME CHANGE…doesn’t PROVE anything…as many people have MALE/FEMALE names and are the opposite gender…I gave the example of my niece, KEVAN!

How many women named Richard, who also are the Fourth, do you know?

 

[neat62]

I don’t live CA.

I would bet that whereever you live…there is some law very similar in nature!

Besides…there are FEDERAL laws as well:

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VII applies to employers with 15 or more employees, including state and local governments. It also applies to employment agencies and to labor organizations, as well as to the federal government.

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual’s employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual’s work performance, or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment.

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following:

• The victim as well as the harasser may be a woman or a man. The victim does not have to be of the opposite sex.
• The harasser can be the victim’s supervisor, an agent of the employer, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or a non-employee.
• The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct.
• Unlawful sexual harassment may occur without economic injury to or discharge of the victim.
• The harasser’s conduct must be unwelcome.

It is helpful for the victim to inform the harasser directly that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop. The victim should use any employer complaint mechanism or grievance system available.

eeoc.gov/types/sexual_harassment.html

 

[pathia]

California Sexual Harassment Law:

The second type of sexual harassment is established when the workplace is permeated with discriminatory intimidation, ridicule and insult that is sufficiently severe or pervasive to alter the conditions of employment and create a “hostile” or “abusive” work environment. Both men and women may sue for sexual harassment. The harasser need not be of a different gender than the victim and the victim need not prove that the harasser was motivated by sexual attraction. This type of harassment most commonly manifests itself in numerous sexual or sexist comments, negative stereotypes about the victim’s gender, sexual jokes, propositions, lewd remarks or insults directed at one sex but not the other. If the comments are severe or frequent enough that the victim’s belief that his/her work environment is “hostile or abusive” is both objectively and subjectively reasonable, the law is violated. However, unless the victim considered the comments or conduct “unwelcome” at the time they occurred, there is no actionable claim for sexual harassment regardless of the severity of the conduct

Once again. I do not live in California. Why should any of this apply to me? It’s three thousand miles away.

 

[cynic]

If she looks androgenous, then evidence of a name change would confirm it in anyones mind. She has stated that they don’t have to prove it to fire her.

 

[neat62]

How many women named Richard, who also are the Fourth, do you know?

Again, proves NOTHING…I know people with all sorts of names…gender not specified, as I stated earlier…we have people today with names like “apple” that doesn’t imply gender.

Perhaps your father really wanted a son…so he named you Richard anyway…again, proves NOTHING and far too much “speculation” would have to be made for anyone to come to the conclusion you are trying to assert.

 

[pathia]

I would bet that whereever you live…there is some law very similar in nature!

Besides…there are FEDERAL laws as well:

Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Title VII applies to employers with 15 or more employees, including state and local governments. It also applies to employment agencies and to labor organizations, as well as to the federal government.

Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual’s employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual’s work performance, or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment.

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following:

• The victim as well as the harasser may be a woman or a man. The victim does not have to be of the opposite sex.
• The harasser can be the victim’s supervisor, an agent of the employer, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or a non-employee.
• The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct.
• Unlawful sexual harassment may occur without economic injury to or discharge of the victim.
• The harasser’s conduct must be unwelcome.

It is helpful for the victim to inform the harasser directly that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop. The victim should use any employer complaint mechanism or grievance system available.

eeoc.gov/types/sexual_harassment.html

Title VII does not apply to transsexuals. There is a lawsuit against the Library of Congress that is ongoing that may change this, but it isn’t settled case law yet.

 

[neat62]

If she looks androgenous, then evidence of a name change would confirm it in the mind of a manager, or anyone. She has stated that they don’t have to prove it to fire her.

Again, there are both FEDERAL and STATE laws that protect from sexual harassment…so I am not buyin’ it…this bill is just another attempt to further the homosexual agenda.

We are supposed to openly accept their lifestyle choices, while we are being forced INTO the closets to practice our faith!

 

[neat62]

Once again. I do not live in California. Why should any of this apply to me? It’s three thousand miles away.

Because again, your state very likely has similar laws on the books.

 

[pathia]

Again, proves NOTHING…I know people with all sorts of names…gender not specified, as I stated earlier…we have people today with names like “apple” that doesn’t imply gender.

Perhaps your father really wanted a son…so he named you Richard anyway…again, proves NOTHING and far too much “speculation” would have to be made for anyone to come to the conclusion you are trying to assert.

I’m 28. I was born before this trend. They have told me outright that 'We found a name change from a male name. We cannot have this sort of individual in our organization because we cannot let you use the facilities. We have to let you go"

There was NO QUESTION that they didn’t know.

 

[pathia]

Again, there are both FEDERAL and STATE laws that protect from sexual harassment…so I am not buyin’ it…this bill is just another attempt to further the homosexual agenda.

We are supposed to openly accept their lifestyle choices, while we are being forced INTO the closets to practice our faith!

Just as I said before multiple times. Title Seven does not currently include transsexuals. This is because they are harassing me about my lifestyle, not my sex.