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I just received a new card in the mail, and I don’t like to really listen to end of times prophesies but for some reason I got a really bad feeling. My new credit card has a chip embedded in it, does this correlate with the end? I know to never get a microchip in my body, supposedly they will be having people do this in the end. I just feel really off about this, I’m looking for people’s thoughts. Thank you.
 
No - it’s just modern technology.

However, if you have poor impulse control, a credit card can be a dangerous thing to use.
 
Stop read Chick publications, they will turn your brain to mush:p
 
Dave Bowman: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
Dave Bowman: What’s the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Dave Bowman: I don’t know what you’re talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen.
Dave Bowman: [feigning ignorance] Where the hell did you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
Dave Bowman: Alright, HAL. I’ll go in through the emergency airlock.
HAL: Without your space helmet, Dave? You’re going to find that rather difficult.
Dave Bowman: HAL, I won’t argue with you anymore! Open the doors!
HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
 
I just received a new card in the mail, and I don’t like to really listen to end of times prophesies but for some reason I got a really bad feeling. My new credit card has a chip embedded in it, does this correlate with the end? I know to never get a microchip in my body, supposedly they will be having people do this in the end. I just feel really off about this, I’m looking for people’s thoughts. Thank you.
There are microchips all over. If you have a phone, they are in that too. A computer? They are in that too. Why is it more alarming that one is in your card? You already said you would never get a microchip in your body, so do not worry about it. We would be lucky if this is truly the end. I want our Lord to come back.
 
I know to never get a microchip in my body
I got to thinking about this & realized I want one. It will be possible soon to get an implant to read blood glucose constantly. As a diabetic, I think that’s wonderful - no more finger sticks!
 
If anything makes you uncomfortable, don’t do it. If there is anything coming, remember God is in control. All you can do is pray, and prayer is a powerful means indeed for any situation.
 
No, the chip in card is supposed to be more secure. The US is finally catching up to Europe which has had this for some time now.
 
I agree, the ‘mark’ is not credit card microchips, and probably not any microchips, there are far easier ways to prevent someone from buying selling, working, etc. When they do put this plan into action and require whatever the ‘mark’ is, it will have to be something most people will accept without too much thought, it will have to appear to be harmless, if it looks ‘scary’ or ‘end-timeish’ people will steer clear of it.

I think it will be something similar to social security number system, something ‘linked’ to every person, that will enable them to buy, sell, work, pay, etc. maybe like a global citizen ID number or similar.
 
I just received a new card in the mail, and I don’t like to really listen to end of times prophesies but for some reason I got a really bad feeling. My new credit card has a chip embedded in it, does this correlate with the end?
I’m sorry, but really???
I know to never get a microchip in my body, supposedly they will be having people do this in the end.
Can you show me where the Church teaches this?
I just feel really off about this,
Why?
I’m looking for people’s thoughts. Thank you.
Where do people get these ideas? That is my thought.
 
When they do put this plan into action and require whatever the ‘mark’ is, it will have to be something most people will accept without too much thought, it
Who are they? And why are they going to mark people?

It sounds like the back story for a dystopian post-apocalyptic book/movie where a ragtag group of young people, each with his and her own talents and skills, embarks on a wild journey of survival and in the end against all odds overthrow Them and save the world.
 
I’m sorry, but really???

Where do people get these ideas? That is my thought.
Why not skip over the thread entirely or give a response that doesn’t make him feel bad for asking a question on CAF? I usually love CAF, but condescending replies instead of a discussion cheapens the CAF forum and makes it no different than any other secular Internet forum. When people post here, they rightfully expect that they can post questions and even if another commentator disagrees, that they will still receive a considerate reply that leaves their dignity intact, because like Christ says, “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
I think your question of, “Where does the Church teach this?”
is an excellent one and is spot on. I think that question could have stood by itself without the other added responses.
 
Who are they? And why are they going to mark people?

It sounds like the back story for a dystopian post-apocalyptic book/movie where a ragtag group of young people, each with his and her own talents and skills, embarks on a wild journey of survival and in the end against all odds overthrow Them and save the world.
‘They’ are going to be the antichrist and the powers that be in Govt that will follow and obey him when he comes onto the global scene.

He will want to mark people, to ensure they are not following God, in other words, denying their faith, denying Christ, thus anyone who does not receive the mark will be telling the antichrist and the world that they choose to follow and worship God…the AC/Satan will not look kindly on these people.
 
‘They’ are going to be the antichrist and the powers that be in Govt that will follow and obey him when he comes onto the global scene.

He will want to mark people, to ensure they are not following God, in other words, denying their faith, denying Christ, thus anyone who does not receive the mark will be telling the antichrist and the world that they choose to follow and worship God…the AC/Satan will not look kindly on these people.
That scenario is just so Protestant! Not main-line, but somewhat fringe. None of this stuff is in the CCC. (I don’t mean no mention of anti-Christ, devil, etc., but no details.)

I suspect that people just like drama. I’m old enough now that I’ve had enough drama. I’ll just wait & see what God is actually going to do instead of getting all het up about what might happen.
 
No - it’s just modern technology.
There are two forms of biometric identification in common use, and it’s a fingerprints and face geometry. So to identify the person you scan either their hand or their face. Now, I challenge you to describe the process using vocabulary existing in 2nd century AD. You will probably give up and say that the scanner is looking for a “mark on the hand/face”, despite the fact that no actual mark is involved, but it’s close enough to convey the sense.

There’s nothing preventing encoding fingerprints / face geometry on a credit card and using biometric scan to authenticate the transaction. Nothing. The technology is already used on mass scale in biometric passports.
 
Deploy credit cards with biometric identification, outlaw or severely limit the use of cash, then start blacklisting people from the system. Voila, you have exactly what St. John was describing.

Revelation is the story of collapse of the Western (Christian) civilization in the 21st century seen from the Middle East. It was misunderstood for centuries, because the claims made in the text appeared so outrageous, that people thought that they must be symbolic… Until modern times. Today, the stuff described by St. John is all too plausible.

Take for example 8:10-11:
The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. 11The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.
That makes no sense, until you realize two things. The first one is that wormwood (or mugwort) is the name for the plant Artemísia vulgáris. The plant has a black stem, from which is derived its name in the Russian language - чернобыльник, or, transliterated – chernobylnik. As it happens, the plant is quite common in the areas surrounding a certain ill-fated power plant, so that’s probably why the city was named after it in the first place. And, as another rather interesting coincidence, observe that John does not write names of things he is seeing. Wormwood is an exception.

What, then, is the “falling star” described in verse 10? This:



Now it makes sense, doesn’t it?

9:1-2 has a similar description of a “falling star” raising a “column of smoke”. Remember that columns in Greek architecture were wider at the top. So a column of smoke wider at the top describes an all too familiar image:



The same passage also includes a cryptic reference to a key needed to open the abyss. I wouldn’t be surprised if the author meant an actual key, like the one in the image below:



There are several other passages in Revelation which make perfect sense once you take modern technology into account.
 
Deploy credit cards with biometric identification, outlaw or severely limit the use of cash, then start blacklisting people from the system. Voila, you have exactly what St. John was describing.

Revelation is the story of collapse of the Western (Christian) civilization in the 21st century seen from the Middle East. It was misunderstood for centuries, because the claims made in the text appeared so outrageous, that people thought that they must be symbolic… Until modern times. Today, the stuff described by St. John is all too plausible.

Take for example 8:10-11:

That makes no sense, until you realize two things. The first one is that wormwood (or mugwort) is the name for the plant Artemísia vulgáris. The plant has a black stem, from which is derived its name in the Russian language - чернобыльник, or, transliterated – chernobylnik. As it happens, the plant is quite common in the areas surrounding a certain ill-fated power plant, so that’s probably why the city was named after it in the first place. And, as another rather interesting coincidence, observe that John does not write names of things he is seeing. Wormwood is an exception.

What, then, is the “falling star” described in verse 10? This:


Now it makes sense, doesn’t it?

9:1-2 has a similar description of a “falling star” raising a “column of smoke”. Remember that columns in Greek architecture were wider at the top. So a column of smoke wider at the top describes an all too familiar image:


The same passage also includes a cryptic reference to a key needed to open the abyss. I wouldn’t be surprised if the author meant an actual key, like the one in the image below:


There are several other passages in Revelation which make perfect sense once you take modern technology into account.
You bring up some great points here! We, in modern times are certainly in a position to understand all these verses, that for so long no one had been able to understand, but God did tell Daniel, certain things would only be able to be understood in the times they are happening…that is most apparent today!!
 
You bring up some great points here!
Thanks. I was afraid someone would say I am insane 🙂
We, in modern times are certainly in a position to understand all these verses, that for so long no one had been able to understand, but God did tell Daniel, certain things would only be able to be understood in the times they are happening…that is most apparent today!!
Precisely. The Wormwood verse, for example, could not be understood before 1986… There may be more similar surprises.

On the topic of the thread, it occured to me today that it probably does not make sense to deploy biometric identification for credit cards. But biometric identification would definitely make sense if you were deploying a modern food or water rationing system. Smart cards are already used for water rationing and distribution in some parts of the world:

baylanwatermeters.com/en/prepaid-water-meter-systems.php
bbc.com/future/story/20120314-smart-card-ensures-water-for-all

In a very deep crisis it would definitely make sense to use biometrics to make sure that people don’t start killing each other over cards as their rations dwindle. If you’re trying to keep the society functioning, then cost is no longer a factor. And paradoxically, electronics is getting cheaper while the water is getting more expensive, so at some point doing what I describe may simply be an economical choice.

Rationing would tie in with high food prices alluded to in 6:6 :
“A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine.”
I also have a theory that the second part of the verse may be actually referring to liquid fuels (petroleum and bioethanol). So this would describe a situation when a government (*) institutes price controls on fuels while allowing the food prices to spike. In other words, the government has realized that it can no longer feed the entire population, so it’s an attempt to starve part of it (high food prices) while keeping the economy running (cheap fuel).

And generally, the four horsemen narrative (where the above passage comes from) describes exactly what you would expect in a collapsing world: disease, war, famine, death – these things usually come together and drive each other.

(*) No, not your government (or at least not necessarily). The whole narrative is taking place in the Middle East, remember.
 
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