Encounter with the Devil?

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A few months ago, my brother-in-law’s mother died from a heart attack. She was an amazing woman, so I was quite saddened. One thing that still continues to bother me was that she was not a Catholic, but a Presbyterian. After her death, this thought caused me to cry myself to sleep. On one night, I had a very realistic dream.

I was still in my room, but I saw something standing in the corner. It was in the form of man, and he was beautiful and angelic, but his presence was not only threatening, but ominous. He taunted me and said that my brother-in-law’s mother was in Hell, burning for eternity. I told my mum about this dream, and she said it was satan playing with my emotions. She then warned me, “Do NOT listen to him!”. Fortunately, I never saw him again after this night, but it still bothers.

Do you think I really encountered the devil, or were my emotions playing tricks on me? What are your thoughts?
 
A few months ago, my brother-in-law’s mother died from a heart attack. She was an amazing woman, so I was quite saddened. One thing that still continues to bother me was that she was not a Catholic, but a Presbyterian. After her death, this thought caused me to cry myself to sleep. On one night, I had a very realistic dream.

I was still in my room, but I saw something standing in the corner. It was in the form of man, and he was beautiful and angelic, but his presence was not only threatening, but ominous. He taunted me and said that my brother-in-law’s mother was in Hell, burning for eternity. I told my mum about this dream, and she said it was satan playing with my emotions. She then warned me, “Do NOT listen to him!”. Fortunately, I never saw him again after this night, but it still bothers.

Do you think I really encountered the devil, or were my emotions playing tricks on me? What are your thoughts?
Don’t worry about it unless it starts happening again. Then go see your pastor. 👍
 
Since we are not privileged to know of individual’s salvation (other than canonized saints), I would simply say that it was a very bad dream. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t Satan’s work but, chances are, that it was a dream. Either way, your mum’s advice is very good. God bless you and I would like to offer a prayer for brother-in-law’s mother. :gopray2::hug1:
 
I would adopt an attitude of holy indifference and report this to my confessor or spiritual director 😉

Remember that it is not so much whether or not we belong to the Catholic Church, but whether or not we love God with all our hearts and our neighbor like ourselves. Besides, Presbyterian Baptism is - as far as I know - a valid baptism that incorporates the faithful into the Church, which is the mystical body of Christ, though not in full communion with the Catholic Church.

If you, who saw her only a limited amount of times and had imperfect knowledge of her, could see that she was an amazing woman, imagine how much more does Christ know this, He who loves to dwell in the heart of the rightful 🙂

I’d pray for her soul (in case she is in Purgatory) and for her intercession (in case she already made it to Heaven;)).
 
I would think that since a part of her death bothered you to the point of you crying yourself to sleep at night (her being Presbyterian), it was more than likely just your emotions playing tricks on you. Were you concerned about whether she went to Heaven or not? That, combined with you being very emotional about her not being Catholic, could certainly cause your subconscious mind to play tricks with you in the form of dreams!
 
I would think that since a part of her death bothered you to the point of you crying yourself to sleep at night (her being Presbyterian), it was more than likely just your emotions playing tricks on you. Were you concerned about whether she went to Heaven or not? That, combined with you being very emotional about her not being Catholic, could certainly cause your subconscious mind to play tricks with you in the form of dreams!
Yes, I was concerned about her salvation, since it is taught that there is no salvation outside the Church. It never occured to me to convert her, so that continues to add to my sorrow. She was very devout, but she respected my Catholic faith, and she had no issue with her son converting to Catholicism for my sister.
 
Yes, I was concerned about her salvation, since it is taught that there is no salvation outside the Church. It never occured to me to convert her, so that continues to add to my sorrow. She was very devout, but she respected my Catholic faith, and she had no issue with her son converting to Catholicism for my sister.
Don’t worry about that, God fills in all the blanks. Salvation is open to all and guanteed to none, no not even Catholics. So just trust in God and thank him for the years you knew this wonderful lady. 👍
 
I would adopt an attitude of holy indifference and report this to my confessor or spiritual director 😉

Remember that it is not so much whether or not we belong to the Catholic Church, but whether or not we love God with all our hearts and our neighbor like ourselves. Besides, Presbyterian Baptism is - as far as I know - a valid baptism that incorporates the faithful into the Church, which is the mystical body of Christ, though not in full communion with the Catholic Church.

If you, who saw her only a limited amount of times and had imperfect knowledge of her, could see that she was an amazing woman, imagine how much more does Christ know this, He who loves to dwell in the heart of the rightful 🙂

I’d pray for her soul (in case she is in Purgatory) and for her intercession (in case she already made it to Heaven;)).
I actually did report this to my confessor. Ultimately, he was unsure. However, if the angelic man was indeed satan or one of his angels, then my best option would be to pay no attention to his words, since only God knows. He was absolutely certain that this man was not from the Lord, since he not only left me with a feeling of fear, but he also seemed to take delight in my sorrow.
 
I actually did report this to my confessor. Ultimately, he was unsure. However, he told that if the angelic man was indeed satan or one of his angels, then my best option would be to pay no attention to his words, since only God knows the fate of my brother-in-law’s mother. He was, however, absolutely certain that this man was not from the Lord, since he not only left me with a feeling of fear, but he also seemed to take delight in my sorrow.
 
A few months ago, my brother-in-law’s mother died from a heart attack. She was an amazing woman, so I was quite saddened. One thing that still continues to bother me was that she was not a Catholic, but a Presbyterian. After her death, this thought caused me to cry myself to sleep. On one night, I had a very realistic dream.

I was still in my room, but I saw something standing in the corner. It was in the form of man, and he was beautiful and angelic, but his presence was not only threatening, but ominous. He taunted me and said that my brother-in-law’s mother was in Hell, burning for eternity. I told my mum about this dream, and she said it was satan playing with my emotions. She then warned me, “Do NOT listen to him!”. Fortunately, I never saw him again after this night, but it still bothers.

Do you think I really encountered the devil, or were my emotions playing tricks on me? What are your thoughts?
The devil is a liar for a start, so even if he was responsible for this “dream”, the last thing you need to do is take him at his word.

However, I will add the following account as part of my own experience. It’s personal revelation, so you can do what you like with it. Reject it if you wish.

I used to be Presbyterian myself. I’ve often mentioned “my old protestant pastor” on forum posts. The first pastor I had after becoming a Christian when I was about 28 turned out to be the wisest, most prophetic man I’ve met. And I say that even though I’ve now been a Catholic for about 15 or 16 years. In fact, he predicted I’d become Catholic. That was one of his accurate predictions - one of a number as it turned out.

While I met him in the Presbyterian Church, he was Methodist by training, so I misesd out on the hardline Calvinism which characterised some of the fundamentalist boys.

However one time we were talking in his office towards the end of his life, and he commented “I sometimes wonder if Protestants get into heaven.” This took me aback as you might gather, and he explained himself by pointing out he didn’t think God was as easy going about the continued division of His church as we are.

He also commented the Reformation was “easily the most violent episode in church history”. It far surpassed the Crusades in the body count.

I asked him that if he believed then why he was still a Protestant? He thought for a moment, and then said, “They (the Catholic Church) have done a lot of damage at times!” He didn’t say much more than that. But he was right of course.

But after he died, I had a couple of brief visions which involved him. In one he briefly appeared, and simply said, “We’re not in heaven. We’re all in Purgatory. Oh, we’re not suffering any pain, so you don’t have to worry about that! In fact, it’s pretty good around here.” Then he continued, “But we’re not in heaven.”

And then he disappeared.

Frankly I think was a real vision with a message to me.

So in my opinion, I think there’s a pretty good chance your brother-in-law’s mother is in Purgatory, assuming of course she was in fact a Christian, and not just “Presbyterian” in name only.

I would suspect therefore the devil is playing on your Catholic concerns about just where she might be. I bet you’ve been wondering about the issue even before the dream.

Anyway that’s what I think, assuming the dream wasn’t just of your own subconscious making.
 
If it was Satan, if it said they are in Hell they are more likely in Heaven or Purgatory.

This has to do with it’s nature. it is trying to lead you away from God by making you doubt His infinite mercy.

It is always possible it was your sub conscious but your description of it would sound accurate. Satan is not a “he” but angels can appear male or female, which probably goes for fallen angels too. Never know.

It is a deceiver so… If your people were in Hell why would it warn you?

It wouldn’t.
 
It certainly could have been an encounter with the Devil or simply a dream based on your thoughts right before going to bed. Either way, I think the best course of action, as others have suggested, is to pray for her soul in purgatory. It may also make sense to bring this up to your Confessor.
 
I would agree to stay indifferent on the subject. But just out of curiosity, do you remember having any conscious thoughts during the dream? Could you move during the dream or were you stuck in place? Did you wake up thinking you had a dream or did you just open your eyes and think about what happened?
 
I would adopt an attitude of holy indifference and report this to my confessor or spiritual director 😉

Remember that it is not so much whether or not we belong to the Catholic Church, but whether or not we love God with all our hearts and our neighbor like ourselves. Besides, Presbyterian Baptism is - as far as I know - a valid baptism that incorporates the faithful into the Church, which is the mystical body of Christ, though not in full communion with the Catholic Church.

If you, who saw her only a limited amount of times and had imperfect knowledge of her, could see that she was an amazing woman, imagine how much more does Christ know this, He who loves to dwell in the heart of the rightful 🙂

I’d pray for her soul (in case she is in Purgatory) and for her intercession (in case she already made it to Heaven;)).
A very quick pause from the topic. BUT the official teaching of the church states that extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I would suggest that you read CCC#846-848 on the subject. It is a grave disservice to our non-Catholic brothers and sisters to even suggest that they don’t need the Catholic Church. Not only is your claim that we “do not so much need the Church, but just to love God with all our hearts and love our neighbours” theologically incorrect, it is also a grave matter to claim that people do not need to be members of the Roman Catholic Church.

Obviously I am not saying that this woman is damned, but I am saying that we, as Roman Catholics, must believe that anyone not protected by invincible ignorance is in serious trouble. We do NO ONE any favors by playing this dogma of the Catholic faith down, and in fact only hurt our own immortal souls.

However, it is noble to pray for the dead, and for that I can agree with you. I would just suggest being careful about the claims that you make about what is necessary for salvation.
 
I would agree to stay indifferent on the subject. But just out of curiosity, do you remember having any conscious thoughts during the dream? Could you move during the dream or were you stuck in place? Did you wake up thinking you had a dream or did you just open your eyes and think about what happened?
Upon looking at him, I felt both awe and fear, as well as tremendous sadness when he spoke his words. I remember sitting up from my bed. I wanted to tell him to leave, but I remember that my emotions got the best of me and instead cried uncontrollably. Its odd, but it did not feel like a dream, if you know what I mean. In one moment, I was sitting up, looking at the stranger and listening to him speak, then the next moment, I was lying down and he was gone. Of course, at the time, I was too scared and saddened to think clearly, but I had a feeling that this dream or vision was malevolent. The man himself was somewhat obscurred by the darkness, but I recall the he was tall and pale, with long golden hair, sparkling teeth, and blue eyes. What’s interesting is that both his iris and his sclera were blue.

I have to wonder, if satan came to mock me, why would he appear in such an attractive form?
 
A very quick pause from the topic. BUT the official teaching of the church states that extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I would suggest that you read CCC#846-848 on the subject. ***It is a grave disservice to our non-Catholic brothers and sisters to even suggest that they don’t need the Catholic Church. Not only is your claim that we “do not so much need the Church, but just to love God with all our hearts and love our neighbours” theologically incorrect, it is also a grave matter to claim that people do not need to be members of the Roman Catholic Church. ***
  1. No it is not, they do not have to be to obtain salvation. It is just the most ordinary and applicable way to help insure it. 2) It is very much theologically correct. God said it in the SCRIPTURE that the Church preserved for YOU to READ. 3) To claim you need anything other than to love God with all your heart is to claim God is a liar, and to call His mercy something other than INFINITE.
Obviously I am not saying that this woman is damned, but I am saying that we, as Roman Catholics, must believe that anyone not protected by invincible ignorance is in serious trouble. We do NO ONE any favors by playing this dogma of the Catholic faith down, and in fact only hurt our own immortal souls.

However, it is noble to pray for the dead, and for that I can agree with you. I would just suggest being careful about the claims that you make about what is necessary for salvation.
You are the one making baseless claims. You do not have to be a member of the Roman Catholic Church to obtain salvation. No self-respecting Catholic would consider the notion.

Eternal life is found in SCRIPTURE. Why do people always just brush this to the side? Our Lord is the one who said it.

The Catholic Church is necessary to preserve the truth and the sacraments - not for salvation.

I can’t believe how many people think the way you do. It makes all Catholics sound as ignorant (which we are not).

EDIT: Dogma agrees with what I just said. You just didn’t fully comprehend what you read. If you are intentionally going against God’s will that is when you have a problem.
 
I am sorry if I offended you, but every catholic is bound to believe that “outside of the Church there is no salvation”. And every single Holy Father will agree with me. It is not negotiable.

I am very confused by what you mean when you say that salvation is in scripture. Can you describe this a little better? This claim is very inaccurate. Our Lord would probably not have referenced the New Testament considering it was not yet written down, and so you must be referring to the Old Testament. Jesus never claimed that salvation comes from the Old Testament. He does, however, say that we must follow the commandments and also follow him. He then proceeds to give St. Peter the keys to the kingdom and founds the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church on earth, without which there is no salvation. Period. I pray that you do some research into the teachings of the Church and turn from the heresy.
 
Upon looking at him, I felt both awe and fear, as well as tremendous sadness when he spoke his words. I remember sitting up from my bed. I wanted to tell him to leave, but I remember that my emotions got the best of me and instead cried uncontrollably. Its odd, but it did not feel like a dream, if you know what I mean. In one moment, I was sitting up, looking at the stranger and listening to him speak, then the next moment, I was lying down and he was gone. Of course, at the time, I was too scared and saddened to think clearly, but I had a feeling that this dream or vision was malevolent. The man himself was somewhat obscurred by the darkness, but I recall the he was tall and pale, with long golden hair, sparkling teeth, and blue eyes. What’s interesting is that both his iris and his sclera were blue.

I have to wonder, if satan came to mock me, why would he appear in such an attractive form?
of course satan or the evil spirit would appear attractive. They want you to like them and pay attention to them.

I recommend praying to St. Michael as well as praying to St. Padre Pio and asking them to intercede.

Do not worry. God is always with you. If it happens again (which I pray it does not) I would definitely call out to God, or at least direct your thoughts toward God if you’re too troubled to speak.

But ultimately I don’t think you have to worry too much about it.
 
You are the one making baseless claims. You do not have to be a member of the Roman Catholic Church to obtain salvation. No self-respecting Catholic would consider the notion.

Actually EVERY single Roman Catholic is bound to believe this dogma. Otherwise he or she commits mortal sin and must be reconciled with the Church.

Eternal life is found in SCRIPTURE. Why do people always just brush this to the side? Our Lord is the one who said it.

The Catholic Church is necessary to preserve the truth and the sacraments - not for salvation.

I can’t believe how many people think the way you do. It makes all Catholics sound as ignorant (which we are not).

EDIT: Dogma agrees with what I just said. You just didn’t fully comprehend what you read. If you are intentionally going against God’s will that is when you have a problem.
Just to point out to everyone who may read this person’s comments. PLEASE do not listen. Each one of the points that he or she made is incorrect and are heretical. I beg you to learn more about our beautiful faith and the doctrine of our Church.
 
Upon looking at him, I felt both awe and fear, as well as tremendous sadness when he spoke his words. I remember sitting up from my bed. I wanted to tell him to leave, but I remember that my emotions got the best of me and instead cried uncontrollably. Its odd, but it did not feel like a dream, if you know what I mean. In one moment, I was sitting up, looking at the stranger and listening to him speak, then the next moment, I was lying down and he was gone. Of course, at the time, I was too scared and saddened to think clearly, but I had a feeling that this dream or vision was malevolent. The man himself was somewhat obscurred by the darkness, but I recall the he was tall and pale, with long golden hair, sparkling teeth, and blue eyes. What’s interesting is that both his iris and his sclera were blue.

I have to wonder, if satan came to mock me, why would he appear in such an attractive form?
This is what Paul was talking about when he was writing to the Corinthians about false teachers and false prophets, and an “angel of light”.

2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no wonder! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.”

If he’d turned up in his usual ugly self, you’d have known straight off who he was. But this way he sows confusion in your mind.
 
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