End Times Speculation the alternate approach

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openmind77 said:
Jesus was addressing specific people (Pharisees, I think). Bahaullah seems to think everyone in world (7.399 billion people) who don’t believe in him are foolish idiots. He is not going to get many more believers that way.

When the real Mahdi or Jesus return and preach to the whole world, they are not going to look down upon everyone and heap accusations, the Mahdi will appeal to people’s better selves to promote peace and justice.
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Again, I think you might benefit from reading with better precision 🙂

It clearly says “the CROWDS going out to be baptised by HIM”… Not Pharisees.

Crowds of people, who wanted to be BAPTISED!

By HIM, no less.

Are you sure you want this “condescending” man to come back and dish out the same stuff??

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JimmyDFG said:
This is given to them on account of their pretending to be pious, and very much devoted to God, but being secretly evil, At the heart, with all their pretensions, they were filled with evil designs, as the serpent was
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EXACTLY!! 🙂

Alas, Jesus has spoken again, for these same people have returned, just as Jesus has Returned.

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Servant19 said:
Again, I think you might benefit from reading with better precision 🙂

It clearly says “the CROWDS going out to be baptised by HIM”… Not Pharisees.

Crowds of people, who wanted to be BAPTISED!

By HIM, no less.

Are you sure you want this “condescending” man to come back and dish out the same stuff??

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Sorry, I am looking at the wrong bible maybe? Here is mine:
Matthew 23:29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

These are specific people Jesus is referring to, not everyone in the world.

Not like Bahaullah who condemns everyone because they don’t see that he is a ‘God’ - Jesus, the Father, Amitabha, Maitreya, Moshiach and every other Son of God he can think of.

When the real Mahdi Returns he will have far more respect for people in the world.
 
openmind77 said:
Not like Bahaullah who condemns everyone because they don’t see that he is a ‘God’ - Jesus, the Father, Amitabha, Maitreya, Moshiach and every other Son of God he can think of.

When the real Mahdi Returns he will have far more respect for people in the world.
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I have already given an answer to this, I did inform you these Tablets were to the Rulers and Religious Leaders.

I suggested it only applies to the followers if they too are doing as the Rulers and Religious Leaders are doing, that is leading the masses away from the Truth.

Leave it with you though.

Regards Tony
 
openmind77 said:
Sorry, I am looking at the wrong bible maybe? Here is mine:
Matthew 23:29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

These are specific people Jesus is referring to, not everyone in the world.

Not like Bahaullah who condemns everyone because they don’t see that he is a ‘God’ - Jesus, the Father, Amitabha, Maitreya, Moshiach and every other Son of God he can think of.

When the real Mahdi Returns he will have far more respect for people in the world.
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Yes you are looking at the wrong verse, look at Luke 3:7

If Baha’u’llah is God, and you reject Him by hindering the unification of the human race, then why should God respect that rejection? He loves you, but it’s a foolish act.

If my child is born, I show the child love, nourish her, love her, sacrifice my time and life to her upbringing and education and betterment and development, then at maturity she spits in my face and tells me you’re not my father, you did nothing for me, would that be a foolish act, or a noble act?

The very fact that I am disappointed by the foolishness of my child’s actions is PROOF that I am her father.

The very fact that Baha’u’llah is disappointed by the foolishness of those who make every excuse possible to deny the wondrous beauty of His Revelation (which with sincere study can be objectively seen to be unmatched in religious history), is in fact PROOF that He is a Manfestation of God for this Age, and every other Nane that God has bestowed on His appearance on earth

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Servant19 said:
Yes you are looking at the wrong verse, look at Luke 3:7

If Baha’u’llah is God, and you reject Him by hindering the unification of the human race, then why should God respect that rejection? He loves you, but it’s a foolish act.

If my child is born, I show the child love, nourish her, love her, sacrifice my time and life to her upbringing and education and betterment and development, then at maturity she spits in my face and tells me you’re not my father, you did nothing for me, would that be a foolish act, or a noble act?

The very fact that I am disappointed by the foolishness of my child’s actions is PROOF that I am her father.

The very fact that Baha’u’llah is disappointed by the foolishness of those who make every excuse possible to deny the wondrous beauty of His Revelation (which with sincere study can be objectively seen to be unmatched in religious history), is in fact PROOF that He is a Manfestation of God for this Age, and every other Nane that God has bestowed on His appearance on earth

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Luke 3:7 is just some confused order of wording, he is really talking to Pharisees and Sadducees, see Matthew 3:7.

Anyway, the point is that Bahaullah is not any kind of God. The general population are not fools that they can not recognize a God (2000 years ago it took some time because communication was slow, but eventually it succeeded)

Bahaullah is just imagining all these attributes for himself, and the Bahai will not acknowledge that until the real Mahdi and real Jesus Return.

As you said before, you will check with me by December 2017 - I am sure it will be much earlier.
 
Servant19 said:
Yes you are looking at the wrong verse, look at Luke 3:7

If Baha’u’llah is God, and you reject Him by hindering the unification of the human race, then why should God respect that rejection? He loves you, but it’s a foolish act.

If my child is born, I show the child love, nourish her, love her, sacrifice my time and life to her upbringing and education and betterment and development, then at maturity she spits in my face and tells me you’re not my father, you did nothing for me, would that be a foolish act, or a noble act?

The very fact that I am disappointed by the foolishness of my child’s actions is PROOF that I am her father.

The very fact that Baha’u’llah is disappointed by the foolishness of those who make every excuse possible to deny the wondrous beauty of His Revelation (which with sincere study can be objectively seen to be unmatched in religious history), is in fact PROOF that He is a Manfestation of God for this Age, and every other Nane that God has bestowed on His appearance on earth

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“Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell” is in Matthew 23:33
Not Luke 3:7
 
Servant19 said:
Yes you are looking at the wrong verse, look at Luke 3:7

If Baha’u’llah is God, and you reject Him by hindering the unification of the human race, then why should God respect that rejection? He loves you, but it’s a foolish act.

If my child is born, I show the child love, nourish her, love her, sacrifice my time and life to her upbringing and education and betterment and development, then at maturity she spits in my face and tells me you’re not my father, you did nothing for me, would that be a foolish act, or a noble act?

The very fact that I am disappointed by the foolishness of my child’s actions is PROOF that I am her father.

The very fact that Baha’u’llah is disappointed by the foolishness of those who make every excuse possible to deny the wondrous beauty of His Revelation (which with sincere study can be objectively seen to be unmatched in religious history), is in fact PROOF that He is a Manfestation of God for this Age, and every other Nane that God has bestowed on His appearance on earth

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Your comment proves nothing. Baha’u’llah proves nothing…foolish really
 
openmind77 said:
Luke 3:7 is just some confused order of wording, he is really talking to Pharisees and Sadducees, see Matthew 3:7.

Anyway, the point is that Bahaullah is not any kind of God. The general population are not fools that they can not recognize a God (2000 years ago it took some time because communication was slow, but eventually it succeeded)

Bahaullah is just imagining all these attributes for himself, and the Bahai will not acknowledge that until the real Mahdi and real Jesus Return.

As you said before, you will check with me by December 2017 - I am sure it will be much earlier.
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Imagining?

To reveal the Kitab-i-Iqan in 24 hours is one heck of an imagination.

Can anyone else in history reveal a book of such profound spiritual value like this in such a short time?

Here’s the book:
bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/bahaullah/kitab-i-iqan/

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Servant19 said:
Imagining?

To reveal the Kitab-i-Iqan in 24 hours is one heck of an imagination.

Can anyone else in history reveal a book of such profound spiritual value like this in such a short time?

Here’s the book:
bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/bahaullah/kitab-i-iqan/

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote almost a hundred books (prose and poetry) in three different languages - all of them of spiritual value.

He was not Jesus and neither is Bahaullah.
 
openmind77 said:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote almost a hundred books (prose and poetry) in three different languages - all of them of spiritual value.

He was not Jesus and neither is Bahaullah.
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Link me to one of his most profound books please

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Servant19 said:
Link me to one of his most profound books please

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Sorry, I have not read any of them, but here is a link: alislam.org/library/links/80-books.html I have no idea where would be a good place to start.

But the point is that when the real Mahdi and real Jesus return, they will not sit and write a bunch of books. They will reach into people’s heart and they will eventually succeed in conquering their hearts.

The hope and prayer is that the struggle from time of the Return to the eventual success is not too painful for humanity.
 
Servant19 said:
Yes you are looking at the wrong verse, look at Luke 3:7

If Baha’u’llah is God, and you reject Him by hindering the unification of the human race, then why should God respect that rejection? He loves you, but it’s a foolish act.

If my child is born, I show the child love, nourish her, love her, sacrifice my time and life to her upbringing and education and betterment and development, then at maturity she spits in my face and tells me you’re not my father, you did nothing for me, would that be a foolish act, or a noble act?

The very fact that I am disappointed by the foolishness of my child’s actions is PROOF that I am her father.

The very fact that Baha’u’llah is disappointed by the foolishness of those who make every excuse possible to deny the wondrous beauty of His Revelation (which with sincere study can be objectively seen to be unmatched in religious history), is in fact PROOF that He is a Manfestation of God for this Age, and every other Nane that God has bestowed on His appearance on earth

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Maybe more people of today would believe in Baha’u’llah if he had walked the walk… instead of just talk the talk. 😉
 
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