English Catholicism as a separate Western Rite?

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OK, that’s a change from the old rule that Motley and I remember.
Probably stemmed from the fact that many threads are critical of priests or parishes.
Since we’re praising this one here, no harm no foul I guess.

It’s a little hard sometimes to keep up with CAF. There seem to have been a number of moderation policy changes over the past year, so I apologize for steering you wrong.
 
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GordonP said:
When they called themselves Scotch.
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There is not much support in the OED for Scots people calling themselves Scotch and the OED says in the paragraph you cited: “It is now less common, being disliked by many Scottish people (as being an ‘English’ invention) …”.

I did not bother with the Wikipedia article as I simply do not regard Wikipedia as a reliable source.
 
Certainly it is now disliked by many Scots. But I think I’d take Burns’ and Scott’s word for it being at one time used in Scotland.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
I consider myself a European American, I value European culture, and quite frankly, I would like to see the United States be more European in its culture and lifestyle.
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Question is, which European country should the US resemble?

Is it Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Scandinavian, Celtic, Gallic, Spanish, Portuguese, Basque?

Europe is not homogeneous.
 
TomH1 said:
I did not bother with the Wikipedia article as I simply do not regard Wikipedia as a reliable source.
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Several years ago, a formal study compared parallel articles in wikipedia and Britannica.

Brittanica had a notably higher error rates . . .

Now, get to a controversial topic, and wikipedia becomes another issue.

It’s also the only place I was able to find a decent and accessible history of pre-republican Rome . . .

hawk
 
Definitely.

For raw data, years, texts, and technical explanations, it tends to be quite useful.

When there are different conclusions to be drawn, however . . . it’s more like getting your information from the op-ed page than the news . . .
 
This thread has confused me so much! Can’t we just remain as we are as UK Catholics? I had no idea our mass was any different to anything else round the world?
 
I prefer a range of books, but, yes, within its limits, wiki can be useful. Not as the be all and end all, but useful.
 
Yes, Wikipedia gets an undeserved bad rap as not being reliable. Not only does it have less errors than traditional encyclopedias, it has much more information. I find it’s pages on history pretty dang accurate and objective. It’s pages on math topics are often very well done.
 
Yes, I am a big history buff, I have bookshelves of history books. Love reading them. But for many topics, a book is not at hand. Wikipedia often gives one the information needed and points one to specific books for further reading.

It is invaluable, in my opinion.

Also, any given historian writes with a bias (honest one’s admit it). So if one is reading a history book, it’s often not as objective as Wikipedia, as it represents one person’s point if view.
 
Good point, creating a separate rite for England is quite a slap in the face to those Catholics of England who have held fast to the faith for 4 centuries.
 
Since any one historian/author may have a bias, one way or another, one needs to read in a wide range, covering all. If a book is not at hand, I seek it out. Worked around 4 years in the rare and collectible book business, 10 years in the new book world. Ordered two titles yesterday, one from a recommendation on this board. Discussions here are an excellent source of suggestions for deeper reading. Wiki is another, as you say.

I started accumulating books in my areas of interest around 65 years ago. The result is measured in the tens of thousands of volumes. It keeps me off the streets. And fortunately, I married a fellow book nut. Met her in a library.
 
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Sarcelle said:
Question is, which European country should the US resemble?

Is it Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Scandinavian, Celtic, Gallic, Spanish, Portuguese, Basque?

Europe is not homogeneous.
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I would say that we might draw on the best of all European traditions, but obviously there are other traditions that we must and should honor as well. We also incorporate African heritage as well as more recent arrivals, as well as the indigenous traditions that predate them all.
 
I agree.

One thing we don’t want is nihilism.
 
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tafan2 said:
Good point, creating a separate rite for England is quite a slap in the face to those Catholics of England who have held fast to the faith for 4 centuries.
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You are absolutely right, and in all honesty, I was tone-deaf to this aspect of it. I regret this. My main goal in this was to pay homage to the history of the English Church, both recusant and those Anglicans of good will who wish to unite with Rome. My own ancestors fell into schism and error for possibly 20 generations or thereabouts; if any of them were recusants, that is a fact lost to history.
 
TomH1 said:
Can you provide a reference to said study. That would be very interesting to read.
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The study was done by Nature, a top science journal. It compared articles on science topics in the two encyclopedias, and found that Britannica was only slightly more accurate than Wikipedia. A lot less than one would think.

Both encyclopedias had problems with accuracy. It should be noted that articles in topics other than science were not examined. Here’s the link:

https://www.nature.com/articles/438900a
 
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