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Can anyone point me in the direction of some (semi) offical Church documents that deal with the enneagram?

In my diaconate training program we are required to take either the Meyers Briggs or Enneagram.

Thanks.
 
Here, section 1.4:
Gnosticism never completely abandoned the realm of Christianity. Instead, it has always existed side by side with Christianity, sometimes taking the shape of a philosophical movement, but more often assuming the characteristics of a religion or a para-religion in distinct, if not declared, conflict with all that is essentially Christian”. An example of this can be seen in the enneagram, the nine-type tool for character analysis, which when used as a means of spiritual growth introduces an ambiguity in the doctrine and the life of the Christian faith.
Myers-Briggs or an enneagram? I mean, sure, the former isn’t necessarily a gold standard for measuring personality type (a prodigiously difficult task in any case), but it still sounds like ‘okay, do you want us to treat you with leeches and bloodletting or by waving a wand over you?’.
 
IMHO, the Myers-Briggs is more reliable. I’ve heard both good and (very) bad about the enneagram. M-B is more popular, and seems to be more accurate.

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Cloisters
 
The Meyers-Briggs is nationally normed. It may not be an exact measurement when compared to an individual’s actual “real life” but at least it is scientifically based.
 
Can anyone point me in the direction of some (semi) offical Church documents that deal with the enneagram?

In my diaconate training program we are required to take either the Meyers Briggs or Enneagram.

Thanks.
This is off the specific topic you asked about but I’ll toss it in anyway. My mother was a devout Catholic and a clinical/personality psychologist who did the seminary-admission testing for three dioceses for many years. Her opinions on the Meyer’s Briggs and Enneagram were roughly as follows:

MB: Harmless. Doesn’t really tell one anything a person with a reasonable level of self-awareness didn’t already know, but can be helpful to those who do not have much self-knowledge, and can provide convenient labels for those who do.

Enneagram: At best has no value whatsoever as a psychological instrument. At worst, and in the wrong hands, is potentially damaging.

The Enneagram’s so-called scoring system is so ambiguous that it makes the perfect instrument for those who want to label people. For example, if you are more orthodox than some of those in charge of your Diaconate program, it would make a very nice tool for them to use to get rid of you, because pretty much regardless of what “type” you come out as, they can point to anything you say or do that they don’t like and claim that you are a Type X acting at an “unhealthy level”.

The MB, on the other hand, merely places you into a static category, which is harder for people to use against you later.

IF YOU HAVE A CHOICE. TAKE THE M.B.

General Points:

In the wrong hands, any psychological instrument is potentially dangerous. Answering the questions cannot harm you, it’s the interpretation and use of the data which is potentially dangerous.

So, in any case, you really need to ask:

– who is doing the interpreting?
– what are his or her qualifications, i.e., licensed clinical psychologist with specific training in personality assessment, or a hack who took an online “training course”?
– what is this person’s position vis-a-vis the Church and Her teachings?
– who else will have access to the data, and what are their qualifications to interpret it?

I’m not trying to scare you, but a bit of caution is in order. I know from my Mom that there are lots of people in the Church who like to grab things like these and run with them far beyond their own qualifications and/or the useful limits of the instruments themselves.

HTH,

Augieboo
 
Can anyone point me in the direction of some (semi) offical Church documents that deal with the enneagram?

In my diaconate training program we are required to take either the Meyers Briggs or Enneagram.

Thanks.
WHO in your diaconate training program established the Enneagram as an option for assessing you? Please send the links another poster offered to that person … AND to your bishop.
It’s bogus.
 
I think the enneagram is part of the Gurdjieff Fourth Way form of spirituality, if I remember correctly. I read about the enneagram, and thought it was a load of silliness. I think Gurdjieff was a charlatan.

I have taken the Myers-Briggs test and it pegged my personality pretty accurately.
 
JohnPaul!

I’ve read the links that you gave. Having read them, I have the impression that enneagram is not compatible with the Catholic faith. Is it a correct conclusion?
 
JohnPaul!

I’ve read the links that you gave. Having read them, I have the impression that enneagram is not compatible with the Catholic faith. Is it a correct conclusion?
1’ier, some folks in these forums think I’m biased… and they’re right! 😃

Read through some of my past posts and see if you like my biases!
 
JohnPaul!

I’ve read the links that you gave. Having read them, I have the impression that enneagram is not compatible with the Catholic faith. Is it a correct conclusion?
Hi there Pemier and welcome to these Forums:wave: . I am confused also, and would like a straight answer whether The Church is in favour or not with a link that is reliably Catholic in information if possible. If one has already been given, please forgive me. I’ve had a bad hair day:D …Blessings - Barb:)

Hope you enjoy the Forums, Pemier…we are a motley crew like the rest of The Church and humanity…and like the very first twelve.😃 …Looking forward to catching your Posts and Threads…
 
Now I’m very confused. I’ve been involved in a Christian movement which uses enneagram to some extent for years, but I’ve never investigated enneagram as it is. I have little doubt about the true intentions of the members of it. We have very close contacts to really authentic Catholic priests as well. But now I’m taken aback.

I’m Catholic and want to be faithful to my religion. I think I’ll need some time to study the matter more closely.
 
“The Enneagram and Prayer” by Barbara Metz, S.N.D de N., and John Burchill, O.P. Sister Barbara holds an MA in theology and Buchill an STD.

Matthew
 
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