Entering the priesthood

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Stephentlig said:
Somehow I dont think the Jesuits would be in full agreement that they themselves are the most educated order either :yukonjoe:

Edit: for if they did admit that they are the most educated order then they’d surely lose their status 😃
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The Jesuits are not properly an order, but a society. A subtle distinction, but an important one.

The Dominicans ARE an order; Dominicans have a much different kind of relationship to each other than Jesuits to other Jesuits.
 
Aramis said:
The Jesuits are not properly an order, but a society. A subtle distinction, but an important one.

The Dominicans ARE an order; Dominicans have a much different kind of relationship to each other than Jesuits to other Jesuits.
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Actually, I think that the Jesuits are an order of clerks regular and just happened to use the word “society” in their name.
 
Young_Thinker said:
Really? I thought that it was one of the last orders to be created. For one thing, Jesuits seem to profess solemn vows.
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When it reformed, it reformed as a society, not as an order… theis had to do with amelioration of the issues that got them suppressed in the first place.
 
Aramis said:
Our new subdeacon is a former Roman Rite Catholic. Eventually, he’ll be ordained a deacon. Rome has specifically not been interfering lately. But it’s not something quick; the current requirements in the BC Metropolia of Pittsburg is several years of praxis after change of ritual enrollment before applying for the diaconate. Let alone the priesthood.
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Slightly off topic, but you sparked my interest. Is the Ruthenian Church actually using the minor orders at this time?
 
babochka said:
Slightly off topic, but you sparked my interest. Is the Ruthenian Church actually using the minor orders at this time?
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I don’t know of the practice in the Pittsburgh Metropolia, but in general, Minor Orders remain the rule in the East and Orient.

In the Syriac Churches (and I believe this is the same for the Byzantines) there are three: Cantor, Lector, and Subdeacon. Just as there are three Major Orders. The Syriac Churches also have three “Median Orders” (Archdeacon, Perioduite, and Chor-Episcopus) for a total of nine (in emulation of the nine choirs). The “Median Orders” are similar to the Minor Orders in that they they are not truly sacramental in character.
 
babochka said:
Slightly off topic, but you sparked my interest. Is the Ruthenian Church actually using the minor orders at this time?
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In Europe, the sub-diaconate is a “holding pattern” for those wishing to be married have not found the “right girl” yet. They will remain sub-deacons until they have found the girl they wish to marry.👍
 
babochka said:
Slightly off topic, but you sparked my interest. Is the Ruthenian Church actually using the minor orders at this time?
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Kind of; some bishops do, some haven’t. RPL permits them, but doesn’t require them, and notes that minor orders are not required to be paid.

RPL permits Lector, Acolyte, and Subdeacon.

RPL= Ruthenian Particular Law.
 
Aramis said:
Kind of; some bishops do, some haven’t. RPL permits them, but doesn’t require them, and notes that minor orders are not required to be paid.

RPL permits Lector, Acolyte, and Subdeacon.

RPL= Ruthenian Particular Law.
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Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Our cantor was actually ordained some 25 years ago, but he had to specifically request it. Its nice to know that it is allowed, even if not encouraged.
 
Don’t bishops have to be monks in the Eastern Rite? I’m Ruthenian and I don’t think all the bishops are monks but I remember hearing something about bishops supposed to come from monastic communities. This doesn’t make sense to me though since aren’t bishops supposed to receive a good education with advanced degrees and excuse my ignorance, but I’m not quite sure how monks receive an education other than learning and studying on their own in the monestary.
 
wjp984 said:
Don’t bishops have to be monks in the Eastern Rite? I’m Ruthenian and I don’t think all the bishops are monks but I remember hearing something about bishops supposed to come from monastic communities. This doesn’t make sense to me though since aren’t bishops supposed to receive a good education with advanced degrees and excuse my ignorance, but I’m not quite sure how monks receive an education other than learning and studying on their own in the monestary.
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I at least know that Eastern Catholic and Orthodox bishops are not allowed to be married.
 
wjp984 said:
Don’t bishops have to be monks in the Eastern Rite? I’m Ruthenian and I don’t think all the bishops are monks but I remember hearing something about bishops supposed to come from monastic communities. This doesn’t make sense to me though since aren’t bishops supposed to receive a good education with advanced degrees and excuse my ignorance, but I’m not quite sure how monks receive an education other than learning and studying on their own in the monestary.
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Bishops can be chosen from among any man who is otherwise qualified. In the past some have been elevated from the lay state, but they must not be married.

There is a strong tradition of choosing bishops from the monastics, but obviously that tradition can’t go back before Christian monasticism was organized 🙂 by saint Anthony (d. 356AD) and in fact I think it wasn’t until the eighth century or so (sorry, I really don’t know for sure) when monastics really came to dominate the episcopal ranks.

In history all sorts of men have been chosen for bishop, from lifelong lay bachelors and widowers to monks. Having a superior education is a nice asset, and recruiting from the ranks of the aristocracy and wealthy merchant families was one way of securing the best talent in days gone by.

Being part of a monastic community doesn’t preclude getting a decent or even outstanding education. In fact, some monasteries run universities and monks can also be sent away to study for advanced degrees.
 
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