Ephesians 2:8-9

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This is a good method. There is only one place in the Bible where it says “faith alone”. That is the place holly referenced that says you are NOT saved by faith alone.

Look how many times in the gospels where Jesus says “you faith has saved you”.
When looking at all those times, also notice that pretty much every time he said that after they exercised their faith by doing something. i.e. calling out in a loud voice Master have mercy on me… or the 4 men who lowered their paralized friend through the roof so Christ might heal him. Jesus knew all these folks HAD faith, but he didn’t heal them until they acted on their faith. That is called works. And, actually, faith is a kind of work too, it is a work of the intellect and only attainable after God gives us the Grace to have faith and live that faith through works.
 
This is a good method. There is only one place in the Bible where it says “faith alone”. That is the place holly referenced that says you are NOT saved by faith alone.

However, I disagree with you here about faith. It is true that grace kindles our faith, just as hearing the Word of God will do, but faith is a quality that belongs to human beings, and we must exercise it in order to be saved. Look how many times in the gospels where Jesus says “you faith has saved you”. We are in charge of our faith, and where we put that faith. True, that faith must be mixed with grace in order for salvation to occur, but grace is God’s part, and faith is ours. Protestants often accuse Catholics of works based salvation because Catholicism teaches that we have a part to play.
Faith is a gift. Faith is one of the 3 theological virtues. These virtues are so named because they come from God. As the catechism states:
1812 They dispose Christians to live in a relationship with the Holy Trinity. They have the One and Triune God for their origin, motive, and object.
1813 The theological virtues are the foundation of Christian moral activity; they animate it and give it its special character. They are infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make them capable of acting as his children and of meriting eternal life. They are the pledge of the presence and action of the Holy Spirit in the faculties of the human being. There are three theological virtues: faith, hope, and charity.
More specifically on faith:
1814 Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself. By faith "man freely commits his entire self to God."For this reason the believer seeks to know and do God’s will. “The righteous shall live by faith.” Living faith “work through charity.”

1815 The gift of faith remains in one who has not sinned against it.80 But “faith apart from works is dead”: when it is deprived of hope and love, faith does not fully unite the believer to Christ and does not make him a living member of his Body.
So, while I agree with most everything else you say, faith is definitely a gift from God.
 
How about a little help from a Protestant?

If your concern is to show that we are NOT saved by faith alone, then stick with the verse he has cited. It has the proof you seek within it. You don’t need to turn to James or any other passage of scripture.

If your desire is to replace faith with works, well, then that is another issue. Faith without works is dead. And works without faith is meaningless. So, I just wouldn’t bother barking up that tree at all and stick with the subject of faith alone. (Pun intended.)

Now what does Ephesians 2:8-9 actually say? Others here have already pointed it out. It does NOT say that we are saved by faith. On the contrary we are saved by grace – through faith, not by faith.

This is NOT just a matter of semantics. Prepositions are important. Very important!

τη χαριτι “by grace” is in the instrumental dative. The definite article τη appears with grace because it refers to the grace already mentioned (see verse 4).

χαριτι “by grace” is in the instrumental dative, the English prepostion “by” is contained in the grammatical structure of the Greek word for grace. Being in the dative, it indicates that grace is the means of our salvation. In other words, one could have all the faith in the world, one could do all the works in the world, and one would still not be saved were it not for God’s grace. God grace, and grace alone (neither faith nor works) is the actual means of our salvation.

δια πιστεως “through faith”. In this case the preposition δια, translated in most versions as “through” indicates the channel through which grace comes.

Get the distinction – salvation is BY grace, THROUGH faith. If one is starving, one is saved by getting calories through consuming food. Eat all you want, but if there are no calories in that food, you will still starve.

And so it is that we received this grace that saves through the medium of faith. That is faith is the manner by which God works his saving grace in our lives. Thus human good works which preceed faith are meaningless. And if we really have faith, as it is itself a gift of God in our lives, then we will want to share with others the unmerited favor and love (i.e. grace) God has bestowed on us by sharing this favor and love with them. James says that the best way to do that is not with words, but with actually acts of love (i.e. good works). So, good works don’t save us either, they simply make it easier to spot whether those who have claimed to have beens saved really have or are just filled with hot air.

And what is this faith through which God’s is channeled to save us? Faith is not a belief system. Faith is in fact a synonymn for the word trust. That’s why MHasley, above, said
By faith “man freely commits his entire self to God.”
Faith is to live in a relationship with God in and through (there is that preposition again) Jesus Christ. That relationship is not something we can initiate, God invites us into it and we either accept his invitation or turn aside from it, but it is by God’s grace (his love) that we are invited. Unless God invites us to himself – which of course I believe he has invited all who will receive him – we cannot ever enter into the faith relationship.

So one more time-- The instrument of our salvation is God’s grace acting in our lives which is channeled to us through one’s faith (trust) relationship with God experienced in Jesus, yet even that faith that we have is God’s gracious gift to us.
 
We are saved by faith to live a life of faithfulness. We catholics can not earn our salvation through good works. Works is a fruit of faith and grace.🙂 If we have faith we will prove it by how we live(James 2:24).😃

God bless:D 🙂
 
So, while I agree with most everything else you say, faith is definitely a gift from God.
It is a gift, in the same way that it is a gift to be created in the image and likeness of God. But it “belongs” to the person to whom it is given, and the purpose of it is that it be exercised, and place appropriately so that it can be mixed with grace.
 
It is a gift, in the same way that it is a gift to be created in the image and likeness of God. But it “belongs” to the person to whom it is given, and the purpose of it is that it be exercised, and place appropriately so that it can be mixed with grace.
I agree, but I think it’s more than that. As has already been stated, speaking of the theological virtues, “They are infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make them capable of acting as his children and of meriting eternal life. They are the pledge of the presence and action of the Holy Spirit in the faculties of the human being.” Our simply being created in the image and likeness of God does not do for us what these virtues do.

But you’re right, we need to exercise it just like we need to love one another, and actively hope in salvation.

Anyway, I think we’re arguing from the same playbook.

God Bless!!
 
Ephesians 2:8 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 KJV Not of works, lest any man should boast.

A Protestant I am chatting with is using this verse to “prove” that we are saved by faith alone. Can you please help me refute this? :confused:
Tell them to read on…V.10 “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” RSV
You might ask this person what the point of the parable of the talents is in Mt 25:14ff.
The great commandment of the New Covenant is to love and St. Paul puts it very well when he speaks of “faith working through love” in Galatians 5:6
 
James 2:14-17

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother of sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also, faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

See also, the Gospel of Mathew, chapter 25, verses 31-46. In the only explicit description of the judgement, no mention is made of theology or doctrine… only of works.

God bless!
It may seem that “justification” in James 2:14-17 is about salvation… however if we move back a bit James 2:1-17, here we can see that James was calling the attention of some rich men in the church, to help those poor brethren in the Church,
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  ** "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well** - is this not talking of faith... this is faith, you believe that your brother will be warm and have something to eat..."
 **but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?** - our faith (something we believe) is shown through our actions. If this man truly wants his brother to keep warm and eat well which he knows this man has nothing then he must have given his brother, but he didn't...
So also, faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. - that’s why that rich man’s faith that his brother could eat, can be warm,can go in peace is dead.
JAMES 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
- as I have said, our faith (something we believe) is shown through our actions.

Faith that brings salvation is Faith in Jesus as our Saviour and what He did on the cross. That is believing that we are sinners and as sinners, there is nothing we can do, to earn God’s approval (Romans 3:10,23), because of this, thats why we need Christ. What action is needed here on our part? None. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal Life through Jesus Christ.
(Acts 20:21)
“repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ”

But we can also have other faith (faith that will not lead to salvation), like the example in James, or like you can ride a commercial plane. Is there an action or work to be done here? Yes! First you have join the buy a ticket then go to the airport. If you won’t, then it will show that your faith that you can ride a commercial plane is obviously dead.

In Eph. 2:8 - For by grace are you saved through faith…
  • I emphasized grace here… grace is taught in
    Romans 11:6 - And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Therefore grace is grace and work is work… Grace and Work don’t mix.

In Eph. 2:9 - not of works, lest any man should boast.
  • if someone can attain salvation through his good works, doesn’t he have something to boast to God? He might say to God, I’ve helped a lot of charitable institutions, I have built a charity home, I have taken good care of other people who needed my help… My point here is, there something that we can do, that we cannot boast about?
Salvation is by grace, good works is the effect of salvation… Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created(“past tense” in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

“We are given salvation first, through faith in Jesus Christ, then we do good works, as is expected to those who received salvation that is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ”

It’s like a police man doing the duties and function of a police man because he is already a police man. He does not do police duties to get in the police force…

Good works before salvation? Isaiah 64:6 - But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
 
“We are given salvation first, through faith in Jesus Christ, then we do good works, as is expected to those who received salvation that is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ”

It’s like a police man doing the duties and function of a police man because he is already a police man. He does not do police duties to get in the police force…

Good works before salvation? Isaiah 64:6 - But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
I agree, we cannot earn our salvation, we cooperate with God’s grace and show ourselves to be true believers by obedience to him (cf. Jn 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he does not obey the Son shall not see life,”). If we only consider salvation as something which has already been achieved how do we account for passages which show it also as being present and future? (e.g.* “By which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.” 1 Cor 15:2 “For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved.” 2 Cor 2:15*
and…*“For salvation is nearer to us now then when we first believed.” Rm 13:11“If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” 1 Cor 3:15 *“You are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” 1 Cor 5:5.
 
Actually, Scripture speaks of several ways we are saved.
In addition to grace and faith, Scripture also includes baptism.

Just a few of the Scripture passages which speak our being saved:

GRACE
*Acts 15:2 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
Romans 3:24 they are justified by His grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), **Ephesians 2:8 for by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God – *

FAITH
Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


BAPTISM
Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,
1 Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience.


That is the beauty of our Catholic teaching; it incorporates them all; it doesn’t choose one and ignore the others.

Nita
 
Ephesians 2:8 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 KJV Not of works, lest any man should boast.

A Protestant I am chatting with is using this verse to “prove” that we are saved by faith alone. Can you please help me refute this? :confused:
One idea that might help in your conversations would be for YOU to add the word “alone,” but put it after “works” in vs. 9. That actually brings out the meaning of the verse: We ARE saved by grace through faith and cannot be saved by works ALONE. So Paul is actually implying that works are necessary, but cannot alone save us. It is the works of righteousness that saves, i.e., faith and works working together.
 
Gospel of St Matthew Chapter 7 Verse 21 - 23
These are the words of Jesus Himself…" Not everyone who says to me, ’ Lord,Lord’

will enter the
Kingdom of Heaven but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day,'Lord,Lord,did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in
your name? Then I will declare to them s
olemnly, " I never knew you.
depart from me, you evil doer."
Also do check up on Gospel according to St Matthew Chapter 25 Verse 31- 46
on what the Lord wants from us if we want eternal salvation…" I was hungry…thirsty… a stranger…naked… sick…and in prison
…whatever you did to the least of these brothers of mine you are doing to me…"
 
Actually, Scripture speaks of several ways we are saved.
In addition to grace and faith, Scripture also includes baptism.

Just a few of the Scripture passages which speak our being saved:

GRACE
*Acts 15:2 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
Romans 3:24 they are justified by His grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), **Ephesians 2:8 for by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God – *

FAITH
Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


BAPTISM
Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,
1 Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience.


That is the beauty of our Catholic teaching; it incorporates them all; it doesn’t choose one and ignore the others.

Nita
I think you there is one thing you missed there… Eph. 2:8 - For by grace are you saved through faith
-God’s grace gives salvation to mankind, He gave it freely, that is grace. How can man receive God’s grace? Through faith…

Let’s take a look deeper on 1 Peter 3:21 shall we…
1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
-Does baptism bring out spiritual salvation? Baptism can never give spiritual salvation or even partial salvation to take out original sin ("…not the putting away of the filth of the flesh…").

Mat. 3:7,8 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

-See my friend if baptism is needed at all to receive salvation or even to remove the sin of man then John the Baptist would have baptized all those Pharisees and Sadducees for John the Baptist knows fully well that these guys are sinners. But why didn’t he?

2 Cor. 5:20,21 says:
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
-Jesus Christ went to be baptized… Did Jesus Christ sin before He was baptized?

If not, so what does baptism save? It is your conscience that is being saved…(… but the answer of a good conscience toward God)
-Baptism shows that you have a clear conscience in the sight of God since you followed Jesus Christ’s example.
 
Gospel of St Matthew Chapter 7 Verse 21 - 23
These are the words of Jesus Himself…" Not everyone who says to me, ’ Lord,Lord’

will enter the
Kingdom of Heaven but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day,'Lord,Lord,did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in
your name? Then I will declare to them s
olemnly, " I never knew you.
depart from me, you evil doer."
Also do check up on Gospel according to St Matthew Chapter 25 Verse 31- 46
on what the Lord wants from us if we want eternal salvation…" I was hungry…thirsty… a stranger…naked… sick…and in prison
…whatever you did to the least of these brothers of mine you are doing to me…"
I agree with that, that not all who says Lord to God will enter heaven… Of course, it does not mean to say that when some say God is your Lord they mean it. Some say it at the tip of their tongue, it never reached their hearts, and actually they have other lords in their heart (wealth, fame,etc.). Some say Jesus is their savior but in fact they believed on other things that they thought could save them. Our faith is manifested through our work. What we believe in our heart will truly show.

There is a story a want to share to all of you, this is a good example of what faith is…

One day, one guy went on top of a 5 story building (A) and attached a wire on it and then connected that wire to the adjacent building (B). The guy rode a bicycle and crossed to the next building (A-B), through the wire. There were plenty of people who saw his act and a lot were amazed. Then he shouted to the people below, “Does anyone here believe that I can cross this wire again, carrying a man on my bike?”. There was this man, who shouted a loud, “I do believe you man!!! Go for it!!! You can do it!!!”. The man on his bicycle said, “Wow, your such an inspiring audience, come and ride with me, we’ll cross that wire together”. The man who shouted aloud said, “Oh my… I’m sorry sir, I won’t do it… We might fall together, and well be dead.”

-That is the same person who calls on the Lord as his Lord but actually in his heart, the Lord is not his Lord. He says one thing and does another. That guys faith is dead. Most people call on Jesus Christ as their Saviour but in reality they rely on other stuff which they also believe can save them. Their faith is dead.

The bible says in
Rom 6:23 “…but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
  • Jesus is the only Savior. If we say we need to do good to cooperate with God’s grace, then we became a co-savior of Jesus Christ, since it would mean Jesus partially saved us, then through our works we complete the process of salvation. Has the bible say anything about a co-savior?
Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Eph 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
  • We do good, we follow Christ’s example because we already belong to Him. Please note, created (past tense). We are created by God first by physical birth then there is the spiritual birth, (2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new).He is already the real Lord of our lives before our good works are seen by God as good since before that Isaiah 64:6 says “…all our righteousness are as filthy rugs…”).
What is the will of God?
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
  • it is the will of God that all men should come to repentance.
 
I agree, we cannot earn our salvation, we cooperate with God’s grace and show ourselves to be true believers by obedience to him (cf. Jn 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he does not obey the Son shall not see life,”). If we only consider salvation as something which has already been achieved how do we account for passages which show it also as being present and future? (e.g.* “By which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.” 1 Cor 15:2 “For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved.” 2 Cor 2:15*
and…*“For salvation is nearer to us now then when we first believed.” Rm 13:11“If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” 1 Cor 3:15 *“You are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” 1 Cor 5:5.
maybe you would like to read those verses you gave in KJV…
 
It’s like a police man doing the duties and function of a police man because he is already a police man. He does not do police duties to get in the police force…
Ah, but if he doesn’t fulfill his duties once he is accepted as a cop, he will be kicked off the force very quickly. A nice analogy of the Catholic teaching as I understand it (i.e., works before grace are useless; and works after grace are necessary though insufficient).
 
This is a good “canned” response all Catholics should know.

“Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply:

“As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”

catholic.com/library/assurance_of_salvation.asp
 
I think you there is one thing you missed there… Eph. 2:8 - For by grace are you saved through faith
-God’s grace gives salvation to mankind, He gave it freely, that is grace. How can man receive God’s grace? Through faith…

Let’s take a look deeper on 1 Peter 3:21 shall we…
1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
-Does baptism bring out spiritual salvation? Baptism can never give spiritual salvation or even partial salvation to take out original sin ("…not the putting away of the filth of the flesh…").

Mat. 3:7,8 - But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

-See my friend if baptism is needed at all to receive salvation or even to remove the sin of man then John the Baptist would have baptized all those Pharisees and Sadducees for John the Baptist knows fully well that these guys are sinners. But why didn’t he?

2 Cor. 5:20,21 says:
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
-Jesus Christ went to be baptized… Did Jesus Christ sin before He was baptized?

If not, so what does baptism save? It is your conscience that is being saved…(
… but the answer of a good conscience toward God)
-Baptism shows that you have a clear conscience in the sight of God since you followed Jesus Christ’s example.

eaglesmark, I didn’t miss Eph 2:8 - it’s included with Eph 2:5.

The whole point of my post is that you can’t pull out Scripture verses that apply to only one aspect of salvation, and say that’s all we need to “be saved” ----- for Scripture speaks of several things we are “saved by”. They’re all true. I took only three examples: - saved by grace, saved by faith (in the sense of believing and confessing), and saved by baptism. I did not go into obedience, repentance, works (eg Mt. 25:31-45) , etc. which could also have been included.

One cannot take one aspect - say baptism - and say, “all that’s needed to be saved is be baptized; Titus 3:5 says so.” Neither can we say it about works alone, faith alone, … The only “alone” that’s even possible is “grace alone”; grace which we receive in baptism, and through faith; grace which we lose if we do not produce fruit (good works). So even with grace, God has chosen not to do it “alone” but to require participation on our part; We did nothing to earn or merit the grace of salvation; Jesus did that. But God has chosen to require certain things of us to receive that grace - and, after receiving it, to retain it. (He does not save us by grace if we reject Him, refuse to obey Him, refuse to be baptized when we know He requests it, etc.)

My understanding of Baptist teaching is that faith alone saves (understood in the sense that when one accepts Jesus as Lord and Saviour, God “declares” him righteous, and thereby he is saved. There is no real interior regeneration that actually makes one’s soul righteous.) This is one of the areas where our faiths differ. Catholic theology takes all of Our Lord’s teaching about salvation by grace into account; the need to be baptized, the need for faith, the need for works, the need to repent of serious sin. This is Catholic teaching because of Scripture; because **all the aspects of salvation which Scripture speaks of must be retained and combined in one coherent whole. **

Another major difference between the Catholic and Baptist teaching of salvation centers around the understanding and meaning of grace. But that should be a separate thread, so won’t go into that here.

Nita
 
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