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It is what the Oral and Written Traditions attest to: the Church is the Deposit of Truth!and that authority is the Catholic Church, they tell me.
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It is what the Oral and Written Traditions attest to: the Church is the Deposit of Truth!and that authority is the Catholic Church, they tell me.
I think I do understand.’m talking about the kind of faith where a person trusts in who Christ truly is and what he’s capable of doing - in effect, trusting that what the Bible says about him is I fact true. Is this the kind of faith God gives us, or is it something we give to him?
Make sense?
Right!For by grace you have been saved [from the power of sin and are sanctified] through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God… .
(Ephesians 2:8)
So our Faith, which is a Gift from God, brings us to Christ and allows us to, through Faith in Him, turn to Him so that God can make us into an image of His Son, in Whom our Eternal Salvation is hidden!3 Now you are clean by reason of the word, which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. (St. John 15)
Key dogmas of faith (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ludwig Ott):
Well said! Thanks! Also, I do like Augustine’s quote, which isn’t something to the effect: Our lives are restless, O Lord, till we find our rest in Thee.”spockrates:![]()
Yes! The New Covenant is about the triune God indwelling, as was always intended as the right order of things for man (“Apart from Me you can do nothing”, John 15:5), and He then doing a work in us, of justifying us, of molding us into the beings He created us to be, a feat we cannot achieve on our own even as we must cooperate in this endeavor.Dude! I think I see now! I mean, I was thinking of faith as trusting that God and what he says in scripture is true. This speaks of another kind of faith, that being trusting God to make one more like Christ.
But only He, our Creator, can accomplish this- while the message of the Fall is a message of man separating himself from this vital relationship, of man seeking autonomy from God in the moral sphere, of man becoming his own “god”, so to speak. The most important New Covenant prophecy is Jer 31:33-34, where God promises to do what we fail to do, to ‘put His law in our minds and write it on our hearts’, as He becomes ‘our God, and we His people’. Verse 34 speaks more of this new or re-established relationship between man and God:
"No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
This speaks of something different, of the intimate relationship man was always meant to have with God; of communion, and this begins, from man’s perspective, with faith, a gift. So, understood this way, faith is not the equivalent of justice or righteousness for man, as if my profession of trust in God is sufficient to save me, or as if faith is all He wants from, and for, us. Rather faith is the beginning of our justification as the Church teaches; we’re “justified by faith” because we’re justified through or via faith because it opens the door to God, to this relationship that we’re lost without. Justice, itself, involves all three virtues: faith, hope, and love, with love being the most important as St Paul tells us in 1 Cor 13. Love truly defines man’s justice which is why the Greatest Commandments are what they are. This is what faith is meant to lead to, but doesn’t necessarily. So St Paul could also say in 1 Cor 13:
"… if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
and Augustine could say:
"Without love faith may indeed exist, but avails nothing."