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Never been translated into English until recently, says Grant Jeffrey’s recent book, Final Warning.
Here is a paragraph under discussion:
"all saints and the Elect of the Lord " doesn’t necessarily mean those on earth. Most of Ephraem,s writing appears to have been borrowed from Revelation. “are gathered together before the tribulation” doesn’t mean “the saints and the Elect” will go flying up into the air. And what is the significance of the distinction between “saints” and “Elect”? Aren’t they supposed to be the same? Sorry, but I don’t see Ephraem teaching 21 century dispensational “rapture”, except in the editorials and comments that read into Ephraem’s text.
Then I quoted CCC 668-679.
Reply:
Again!! Early church leaders saw the Bible teaching of the pre-trib rapture!!! But if you really wantto argueand fight against the rapture then you could pray that you be left behind===but remember Jesus says==
Luke 21:36 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
I said:
A tribulation period is not contested. But like anything else, it’s a matter of interpretation. I still don’t see him saying the saints on earth will fly up into the air. “are taken to the Lord” could mean the Eucharist on earth, so it’s a matter of premise.
Either way, I thank you for this interesting piece from St. Ephraem.
In the Syrian Church, we have St. Ephraem the Syrian (c. 350), who says:
“Thou, and Thy Mother are alone in this. You are wholly beautiful in every respect. There is in Thee, Lord, no stain, nor any spot in Thy Mother.” (Poem to Christ)
And,
“My Lady Most Holy, All-Pure, All-Immaculate, All-Stainless, All-Undefiled, All-Incorrupt, All-Inviolate …Spotless Robe of Him Who clothes Himself with light as with a garment …Flower unfading, purple woven by God, alone Most Immaculate.” (Ibid)
What would Grant R. Jeffrey and Professor Cameron Rhoades think of that?
Reply:
Feel free to pray that you be left behind on rapture day!! But why?? your choice!!!
I said:
As in the days of Noah, the ones who were “left behind” were the good guys, not the bad guys! That is, during the flood, Noah and his family (the good guys) were left behind, the others were taken (perished).
If Protestant “experts” on early Church Fathers want to dogmatize St. Ephraem the Syrian because it fits their preconceptions, why do they reject everything else this ‘major theologian’ wrote?
waiting for a reply
source of Ephraem’s quote: arewelivinginthelastdays.com
Here is a paragraph under discussion:
"My reply:
"all saints and the Elect of the Lord " doesn’t necessarily mean those on earth. Most of Ephraem,s writing appears to have been borrowed from Revelation. “are gathered together before the tribulation” doesn’t mean “the saints and the Elect” will go flying up into the air. And what is the significance of the distinction between “saints” and “Elect”? Aren’t they supposed to be the same? Sorry, but I don’t see Ephraem teaching 21 century dispensational “rapture”, except in the editorials and comments that read into Ephraem’s text.
Then I quoted CCC 668-679.
Reply:
Again!! Early church leaders saw the Bible teaching of the pre-trib rapture!!! But if you really wantto argueand fight against the rapture then you could pray that you be left behind===but remember Jesus says==
Luke 21:36 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
I said:
A tribulation period is not contested. But like anything else, it’s a matter of interpretation. I still don’t see him saying the saints on earth will fly up into the air. “are taken to the Lord” could mean the Eucharist on earth, so it’s a matter of premise.
Either way, I thank you for this interesting piece from St. Ephraem.
In the Syrian Church, we have St. Ephraem the Syrian (c. 350), who says:
“Thou, and Thy Mother are alone in this. You are wholly beautiful in every respect. There is in Thee, Lord, no stain, nor any spot in Thy Mother.” (Poem to Christ)
And,
“My Lady Most Holy, All-Pure, All-Immaculate, All-Stainless, All-Undefiled, All-Incorrupt, All-Inviolate …Spotless Robe of Him Who clothes Himself with light as with a garment …Flower unfading, purple woven by God, alone Most Immaculate.” (Ibid)
What would Grant R. Jeffrey and Professor Cameron Rhoades think of that?
Reply:
Feel free to pray that you be left behind on rapture day!! But why?? your choice!!!
I said:
As in the days of Noah, the ones who were “left behind” were the good guys, not the bad guys! That is, during the flood, Noah and his family (the good guys) were left behind, the others were taken (perished).
If Protestant “experts” on early Church Fathers want to dogmatize St. Ephraem the Syrian because it fits their preconceptions, why do they reject everything else this ‘major theologian’ wrote?
waiting for a reply
source of Ephraem’s quote: arewelivinginthelastdays.com
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