Epiphany 2012 on Friday

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I just got back from the EF of the Mass and I bought a calendar for the next year. If I look at the solemnity of the Epiphany of our Lord, there is a fish next to it because it is on a Friday. Am I missing something or is it wrong? Abstinence during a solemnity? :confused:

I know that in the Byzantine Church the abstinence is moved to Thursday.

Same thing for the Solemnity Sacred Heart of Jesus on June 15th and for the Solemnity of St. Peter & Paul on June 29th (In the Byzantine Church looks like it is still a day of abstinence).
 
I just got back from the EF of the Mass and I bought a calendar for the next year. If I look at the solemnity of the Epiphany of our Lord, there is a fish next to it because it is on a Friday. Am I missing something or is it wrong? Abstinence during a solemnity? :confused:

I know that in the Byzantine Church the abstinence is moved to Thursday.

Same thing for the Solemnity Sacred Heart of Jesus on June 15th and for the Solemnity of St. Peter & Paul on June 29th (In the Byzantine Church looks like it is still a day of abstinence).
Seems strange but wouldn’t the Feast of the Epiphany automatically be pushed to Sunday being a Solemnity. I’ve never hear of the Epiphany not celebrated liturgically on a Sunday.

Its likely a misprint in your calendar, it happens.
 
Seems strange but wouldn’t the Feast of the Epiphany automatically be pushed to Sunday being a Solemnity. I’ve never hear of the Epiphany not celebrated liturgically on a Sunday.

Its likely a misprint in your calendar, it happens.
Liturgically in some countries, the Solemnity of the Epiphany is celebrated on the Sunday after the Epiphany, however it is still on the calendar as January 6th, in some countries it is still a Holy Day of Obligation to attend on that day (and in fact in the Old Rite Calendar, it would be, as no feasts in the Old Calendar are moved to Sunday), countries like the US and the UK the Bishops conference has moved it to the Sunday after.

However to answer your question, IIRC a solemnity takes precedence over the Friday penance (Abstaining from meat), and the penitential obligation is therefore abrogated, and to be treated as a feast day.
 
Liturgically in some countries, the Solemnity of the Epiphany is celebrated on the Sunday after the Epiphany, however it is still on the calendar as January 6th, in some countries it is still a Holy Day of Obligation to attend on that day (and in fact in the Old Rite Calendar, it would be, as no feasts in the Old Calendar are moved to Sunday), countries like the US and the UK the Bishops conference has moved it to the Sunday after.

However to answer your question, IIRC a solemnity takes precedence over the Friday penance (Abstaining from meat), and the penitential obligation is therefore abrogated, and to be treated as a feast day.
Eastern Churches (Greek, Russian and Eastern Orthodox) following the Julian Calendar observe the Theophany (Epiphany) feast on January 19 a 13 day lapse from the Roman calendar
 
I know that in the Byzantine Church the abstinence is moved to Thursday.
Just a correction, the “abstinence” is never moved in the Byzantine Rite. Theophany (what we call January 6) is one of the 12 Great Feasts of the Byzantine Rite. The day before a Great Feast is always a day of Fasting. So like this year (2011), Wednesday (Jan 5) and Friday (January 7) were both Fasting days. This coming year there is no fasting on January 6 because its a Great Feast. January 5 will always be a day of fasting because its the eve of a Great Feast.
Eastern Churches (Greek, Russian and Eastern Orthodox) following the Julian Calendar observe the Theophany (Epiphany) feast on January 19 a 13 day lapse from the Roman calendar
And the Gregorian January 6 will be a day of Great Fasting because Gregorian January 7 is Julian December 25.
 
Just a correction, the “abstinence” is never moved in the Byzantine Rite. Theophany (what we call January 6) is one of the 12 Great Feasts of the Byzantine Rite. The day before a Great Feast is always a day of Fasting. So like this year (2011), Wednesday (Jan 5) and Friday (January 7) were both Fasting days. This coming year there is no fasting on January 6 because its a Great Feast. January 5 will always be a day of fasting because its the eve of a Great Feast.

And the Gregorian January 6 will be a day of Great Fasting because Gregorian January 7 is Julian December 25.
Thanks for the clarification about the Byzantine fast before the Great Feasts. I assume that St. Peter & Paul are not considered a Great Feast in the Byzantine Liturgical calendar. In my calendar is marked as a day of fast.
 
Seems strange but wouldn’t the Feast of the Epiphany automatically be pushed to Sunday being a Solemnity. I’ve never hear of the Epiphany not celebrated liturgically on a Sunday.

Its likely a misprint in your calendar, it happens.
In Rome is always celebrated on January 6th.🙂

I think that there is one diocese in the USA that has it on the 6th but I might be wrong.:confused:
 
Thanks for the clarification about the Byzantine fast before the Great Feasts. I assume that St. Peter & Paul are not considered a Great Feast in the Byzantine Liturgical calendar. In my calendar is marked as a day of fast.
It is not a Great Feast, but a feast nonetheless. Also there has been assigned a period of fasting from the day after the Sunday after Pentecost (so the Monday 8 days after Pentecost) until the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul.
 
In the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, Epiphany is always celebrated on January 6. In the Ordinary Form it is always the Sunday between January 2 and January 9.

If January 6 falls on a Friday, it is still a day of abstinence.

Why?

The Code of Canon Law says: “Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday.”

The rank of solemnity only exists in the Ordinary Form. As I previously said, in the Ordinary Form Epiphany falls on Sunday, January 8. There is no solemnity on Friday, January 6. Therefore, there is abstinence from meat on that date.

Hope I cleared that up. 😉
 
In the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, Epiphany is always celebrated on January 6. In the Ordinary Form it is always the Sunday between January 2 and January 9.

If January 6 falls on a Friday, it is still a day of abstinence.

Why?

The Code of Canon Law says: “Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday.”

The rank of solemnity only exists in the Ordinary Form. As I previously said, in the Ordinary Form Epiphany falls on Sunday, January 8. There is no solemnity on Friday, January 6. Therefore, there is abstinence from meat on that date.

Hope I cleared that up. 😉
A solemnity is equivalent to a first-class feast in the EF kalendar. Epiphany is a first-class feast in the EF and it is a solemnity in the OF. On whichever day it is observed, there would be no abstinence, ever. It is one of the principal feasts of the Church.
 
Yep, in the EF, Epiphany is Jan. 6th. Its a Friday so I’ll Fast as I always do on Fridays, Ember Days and Lent.
 
In the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, Epiphany is always celebrated on January 6. In the Ordinary Form it is always the Sunday between January 2 and January 9.

If January 6 falls on a Friday, it is still a day of abstinence.

Why?

The Code of Canon Law says: “Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday.”

The rank of solemnity only exists in the Ordinary Form. As I previously said, in the Ordinary Form Epiphany falls on Sunday, January 8. There is no solemnity on Friday, January 6. Therefore, there is abstinence from meat on that date.

Hope I cleared that up. 😉
I think that you are mixing apples and oranges here. The solemnities are defined independently of the form of the Mass, their dates could be changed. The Epiphany is not always on the nearest Sunday, It can be but id does not have to be. Second if the EF were independent from the concept of solemnities then, as someone else said, it is a first class feast and abstinence should not be observed.
 
I just got back from the EF of the Mass and I bought a calendar for the next year. If I look at the solemnity of the Epiphany of our Lord, there is a fish next to it because it is on a Friday. Am I missing something or is it wrong? Abstinence during a solemnity? :confused:

I know that in the Byzantine Church the abstinence is moved to Thursday.

Same thing for the Solemnity Sacred Heart of Jesus on June 15th and for the Solemnity of St. Peter & Paul on June 29th (In the Byzantine Church looks like it is still a day of abstinence).
From all the responses you have had here, I think the only real advice we can give you now is speak to your Priest, I am going to be speaking to mine on Friday to ask whether or not the Epiphany is a day of abstinence this year, I highly doubt it, however I could be wrong (as could everyone here) so I do advise you to speak to your Priest, he’s the most qualified to answer your question.
 
A solemnity is equivalent to a first-class feast in the EF kalendar. Epiphany is a first-class feast in the EF and it is a solemnity in the OF. On whichever day it is observed, there would be no abstinence, ever. It is one of the principal feasts of the Church.
Good info. 👍

I know that East and West the practice is the same not to fast if a feast day falls on a fasting day. Although what I am unsure of is if Annunciation falls on a Good Friday, how does that work out?
 
I know that East and West the practice is the same not to fast if a feast day falls on a fasting day. Although what I am unsure of is if Annunciation falls on a Good Friday, how does that work out?
When this happens (in your canonical church, at least), the Annunciation is transferred a week and a half later, to the Monday after Low Sunday.
 
On my ICRSS calendar, Epiphany is listed on Friday the 6th (1st Class), and is one of the few Fridays of the year that doesn’t have the sign signifying “a penitential work is to be observed”.

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A solemnity is equivalent to a first-class feast in the EF kalendar. Epiphany is a first-class feast in the EF and it is a solemnity in the OF. On whichever day it is observed, there would be no abstinence, ever. It is one of the principal feasts of the Church.
I think that you are mixing apples and oranges here. The solemnities are defined independently of the form of the Mass, their dates could be changed. The Epiphany is not always on the nearest Sunday, It can be but id does not have to be. Second if the EF were independent from the concept of solemnities then, as someone else said, it is a first class feast and abstinence should not be observed.
I respectfully disagree. Please give me a little time to make my case:

First of all, SP did not create a new rite of the church. There is one Roman Rite. However, Mass in that Rite can be said in two forms: the ordinary form (Missal of Paul VI) and “an extraordinary form” (Missal of Bl. John XXIII). **The use of the Missal of Bl. John XXIII is the exception, not the rule. ** I do prefer the EF to the OF, but I think it’s a dangerous position to try and pretend that the OF is inferior to the EF or act as if it didn’t exist. It is, after all, the Mass that Pope Benedict celebrates in Rome.

Summorum Pontificum said the old form of the liturgy (Mass, Office, et cetera) was never expressly abrogated and can be used optionally by priests. But just because a priest celebrates using the EF calendar, it does not mean that the ordinary laws of the Roman Rite do not apply to him and/or to his parishioners.

In the United States, the Bishops have said that the Solemnity of the Epiphany of the Lord (one of my favorite feast days, by the way) is to be celebrated on the Sunday between January 2 and 8. Friday, January 6 is not a solemnity. Friday, January 6 is listed on the USCCB’s website as “Christmas weekday.”

Not being a solemnity, in the United States it is a day of abstinence from meat, although this can be replaced with some other penance in honor of the day Christ was crucified. Since the bishops consider January 6 a normal Friday, the normal rules apply.

If the bishops decided to celebrate Epiphany on January 6, than January 6 would be a solemnity.

This is the ordinary form of the Roman Rite. This is the law of the Roman Rite. Again, just because a priest celebrates using the EF calendar does not mean that the ordinary laws of the Roman Rite do not apply to him and/or to his parishioners.

The traditional Mass and office is an option, it is not the rule of the Roman Rite.

Now I would be the first to support moving Epiphany back to January 6 (and moving Ascension Sunday back to Ascension Thursday while we’re at it). But until this happens, we cannot ignore Church law because it does not comply with our liturgical preferences.

Traditionalist Catholicism is not it’s own Rite in the Church, it is part of the Roman Rite and is thus subject to the laws of the Roman Rite.

Viewing the historical situation in context, the TLM was on death’s door when the Code of Canon Law was written in 1983. Canon Law was obviously using the ordinary expression of the Roman Rite liturgy as the basis for it’s laws regarding the same.

Therefore, I strongly recommend doing a penance on Friday, January 6 along with your Epiphany celebrations. It’s not that hard. Hey, going to Mass when you’re not obliged too might count as a penance, taking care of the whole situation. If you choose to do abstinence, have what you’d have on any other Friday. I love to have a cheese pizza, or baked macaroni, or shrimp, or linguine with clams (not much of a penance now that I think about it). This isn’t an issue worth risking your soul over (not that any exist anyway).

Anyway, enough with my rant. Have a blessed Advent and a merry Christmas season! 🙂

BTW, I prefer the TLM and would love to go every week. Now I can only settle for once a month.
 
Just a correction, the “abstinence” is never moved in the Byzantine Rite. Theophany (what we call January 6) is one of the 12 Great Feasts of the Byzantine Rite.
Theophany, “appearance of God”, one of the 12 Great Feasts commemorates Christ’s baptism in the River Jordan by the Forerunner and Evangelist John. It’s really not the same feast as what the Latin Church celebrates as Epiphany which has become strongly tied to the Magi in the West. It seems that the Latin Church celebrates the Baptism of the Lord on the Sunday after January 6th, at least in the US.

The reference “appearance of God” comes from the Holy Spirit being present at Christ’s baptism. The Great Blessing of Waters happens on Theophany in our Churches. We process to the nearest body of water where we sing the appropriate prayers, the Holy Scriptures are read, and the priest will throw his cross into the waters three times which “represents the redemption of all creation as part of humanity’s salvation”. Theophany is indeed a great Great Feast! I love it! I would encourage Latin Catholics to come take part in it as well as celebrate the Epiphany which the West celebrates.
Eastern Churches (Greek, Russian and Eastern Orthodox) following the Julian Calendar observe the Theophany (Epiphany) feast on January 19 a 13 day lapse from the Roman calendar
Theophany is always on January 6 Old or New calendar. It’s just that if you are on the New calendar Jan 6 seems to be January 19th to you. 🙂
 
Theophany, “appearance of God”, one of the 12 Great Feasts commemorates Christ’s baptism in the River Jordan by the Forerunner and Evangelist John. It’s really not the same feast as what the Latin Church celebrates as Epiphany which has become strongly tied to the Magi in the West. It seems that the Latin Church celebrates the Baptism of the Lord on the Sunday after January 6th, at least in the US.

The reference “appearance of God” comes from the Holy Spirit being present at Christ’s baptism. The Great Blessing of Waters happens on Theophany in our Churches. We process to the nearest body of water where we sing the appropriate prayers, the Holy Scriptures are read, and the priest will throw his cross into the waters three times which “represents the redemption of all creation as part of humanity’s salvation”. Theophany is indeed a great Great Feast! I love it! I would encourage Latin Catholics to come take part in it as well as celebrate the Epiphany which the West celebrates.
Thanks! I almost forgot about that because the Feast of the Three Kings have been moved to the following Sunday for the longest time, I forgot what Epiphany is all about 😊

But they are both God’s revelation of the incarnation to the world. In the West, it was the coming of the Magi which commemorates this revelation. In the East, it was the manifestation of the Trinity at the Jordan which commemorates this event.
 
Theophany, “appearance of God”, one of the 12 Great Feasts commemorates Christ’s baptism in the River Jordan by the Forerunner and Evangelist John. It’s really not the same feast as what the Latin Church celebrates as Epiphany which has become strongly tied to the Magi in the West. It seems that the Latin Church celebrates the Baptism of the Lord on the Sunday after January 6th, at least in the US.

The reference “appearance of God” comes from the Holy Spirit being present at Christ’s baptism. The Great Blessing of Waters happens on Theophany in our Churches. We process to the nearest body of water where we sing the appropriate prayers, the Holy Scriptures are read, and the priest will throw his cross into the waters three times which “represents the redemption of all creation as part of humanity’s salvation”. Theophany is indeed a great Great Feast! I love it! I would encourage Latin Catholics to come take part in it as well as celebrate the Epiphany which the West celebrates.

Theophany is always on January 6 Old or New calendar. It’s just that if you are on the New calendar Jan 6 seems to be January 19th to you. 🙂
New calendar Jan 6 seems to be January 19th to you
No; it doesn’t I have long remembered January 6th as being Old Christmas Day 😉

Not all Eastern Churches celebrate Christmas on December 25th.
 
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