Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson

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So aside from his being gay how is he not Christian? Can I have an answer? Please?
Wonderboo, I wouldn’t say that he is not Christian. That is not for me to say. It is the tone that he took toward his own faith and source of inspiration that I found relevant. However, I don’t think it is unrelated to his decision, as a father, to abandon his family and divorce his wife in favor of embracing the openly gay lifestyle, rather than unite the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross to his conflict with his urges for sexual relations with other males.

More than anything I see the tone as a reflection of culture, and that is the direction that is better to go with this rather than a personal attack of Robinson. His tone is a testament to de-Christianization of not only culture, but even long established Christian groups. That is what struck me, that a bishop would say that his prayer is not going to be Christian.
 
Wonderboo, I wouldn’t say that he is not Christian. That is not for me to say. It is the tone that he took toward his own faith and source of inspiration that I found relevant. However, I don’t think it is unrelated to his decision, as a father, to abandon his family and divorce his wife in favor of embracing the openly gay lifestyle, rather than unite the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross to his conflict with his urges for sexual relations with other males.

More than anything I see the tone as a reflection of culture, and that is the direction that is better to go with this rather than a personal attack of Robinson. His tone is a testament to de-Christianization of not only culture, but even long established Christian groups. That is what struck me, that a bishop would say that his prayer is not going to be Christian.
His family supported his decision. William Crawley, a brilliant broadcaster, did an interview with him, here it is on youtube. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAIlPmFNAA
 
His family supported his decision. William Crawley, a brilliant broadcaster, did an interview with him, here it is on youtube. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAIlPmFNAA
It doesn’t mean it isn’t abandonment. Of course his family loves him, and thank God. But should the wife and children have to support the father in this way? I cannot say that this Bishop’s lifestyle choices are justified by his families support of it. The argument that he is justified by the love and support of his family is a non sequitur. The question of the morality of the action, and his family’s support of it are unrelated.

It was in interesting interview. I had seen parts of it before.

Thanks for sharing.
 
It doesn’t mean it isn’t abandonment. Of course his family loves him, and thank God. But should the wife and children have to support the father in this way? I cannot say that this Bishop’s lifestyle choices are justified by his families support of it. The argument that he is justified by the love and support of his family is a non sequitur. The question of the morality of the action, and his family’s support of it are unrelated.

It was in interesting interview. I had seen parts of it before.

Thanks for sharing.
Very true. From watching that interview, he seems to at least be an honest man. I think that Jefferts-Schori is destroying the Espiscopal Church more than Rev Robinson to be honest.
 
Very true. From watching that interview, he seems to at least be an honest man. I think that Jefferts-Schori is destroying the Espiscopal Church more than Rev Robinson to be honest.
And others like her, I agree.

GKC
 
It even seems to have my jurisdiction in tow, somehow.

I’m dubious. The issue of females in sacerdotal garments is going to be highly problematic.

GKC
I’d love to see it as a recognised province of the anglican communion. But that seems unlikely.

Homosexuality is not the problem: the problem is a new reading of the Bible. The consecration of a gay bishop did not annoy me as much as Rev Jefferts-Schori and others (lets not forget Bishop Spong) saying all religion leads to God and we don’t therefore need mission etc. I seem to spend all my time on youtube these days! Here’s a video I found questioning who her God is. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RBfKYFQHcg0
 
Very true. From watching that interview, he seems to at least be an honest man. I think that Jefferts-Schori is destroying the Espiscopal Church more than Rev Robinson to be honest.
I have heard similar things but am largely ignorant of intra-Church sentiments in the Anglican communion beyond what is available through the mass media.

I have some personal experience working in ministry with Episcopalians and from that little experience what I saw as the most contested topic, that is related to all else is, “where does authority reside?” I see the crisis as largely a crisis of authority. Who can speak with it?
 
I’d love to see it as a recognised province of the anglican communion. But that seems unlikely.

Homosexuality is not the problem: the problem is a new reading of the Bible. The consecration of a gay bishop did not annoy me as much as Rev Jefferts-Schori and others (lets not forget Bishop Spong) saying all religion leads to God and we don’t therefore need mission etc. I seem to spend all my time on youtube these days! Here’s a video I found questioning who her God is. uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RBfKYFQHcg0
Homosexuality per se, is not the problem, IMO, since humans are humans (mostly), hence flawed and have been, for a long, long time. It’s how they act, and how the acts are viewed that is problematic.

Generally, I’m agreeing here.

GKC
 
So aside from his being gay how is he not Christian? Can I have an answer? Please?
To admit the possibility that one can pray to God without reference to His Son Jesus Christ is to deny the work, person, uniqueness, and nature of God the Son.

I leave it to God the Holy Spirit to decide whether or not Gene Robinson is actually a Christian. He is not, though, professing the Christian faith in that pronouncement.

Did you know, by the way, that he also spat in the face of Matrimony? He had been married (to a woman), but when they divorced, they had a liturgical event, in which they released each other from their vows, and went their separate ways, in God’s name. Again, this was a denial of the Christian position that what God has joined together (note: the people did the releasing in that bizarre liturgy) no person can rend asunder.

Gene has a pretty good track record of not professing the Christian faith.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
To admit the possibility that one can pray to God without reference to His Son Jesus Christ is to deny the work, person, uniqueness, and nature of God the Son.

I leave it to God the Holy Spirit to decide whether or not Gene Robinson is actually a Christian. He is not, though, professing the Christian faith in that pronouncement.

Did you know, by the way, that he also spat in the face of Matrimony? He had been married (to a woman), but when they divorced, they had a liturgical event, in which they released each other from their vows, and went their separate ways, in God’s name. Again, this was a denial of the Christian position that what God has joined together (note: the people did the releasing in that bizarre liturgy) no person can rend asunder.

Gene has a pretty good track record of not professing the Christian faith.

Blessings,

Gerry
Many anglicans have different views on divorce to that of the catholic church.
 
Did you know, by the way, that he also spat in the face of Matrimony? He had been married (to a woman), but when they divorced, they had a liturgical event, in which they released each other from their vows, and went their separate ways, in God’s name. Again, this was a denial of the Christian position that what God has joined together (note: the people did the releasing in that bizarre liturgy) no person can rend asunder.
I was not aware of this. All in the name of ‘progress.’
 
To admit the possibility that one can pray to God without reference to His Son Jesus Christ is to deny the work, person, uniqueness, and nature of God the Son.

I leave it to God the Holy Spirit to decide whether or not Gene Robinson is actually a Christian. He is not, though, professing the Christian faith in that pronouncement.

Did you know, by the way, that he also spat in the face of Matrimony? He had been married (to a woman), but when they divorced, they had a liturgical event, in which they released each other from their vows, and went their separate ways, in God’s name. Again, this was a denial of the Christian position that what God has joined together (note: the people did the releasing in that bizarre liturgy) no person can rend asunder.

Gene has a pretty good track record of not professing the Christian faith.

Blessings,

Gerry
First, there are many times where Protestants more than Catholics but Catholics as well, will in a situation where there are many faiths present, pray and not use the name of Christ…that doesn’t mean much in regards to living out one’s faith. In all of his dealings in the Christian community he does not shy away from praying to Christ.
Second, while I in no way agree with his divorce, even the Catholic Church will never go so far as to say that having a divorce lessens one’s christianity, it like so many other things, is a sin and therefore is bad, very bad in this case, but it does not fundamentally negate one’s Christianity. I would only ask this one thing, do you say everyone who is divorced is somehow lessened in their Christianity.

Tootles and love
 
So aside from his being gay how is he not Christian? Can I have an answer? Please?

**Being gay has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not you’re a Christian.

If your own sins and temptations do not mean you’re not a Christian, how can it apply to anyone else?

The fact that he’s willing to publicly pray in a “not especially Christian manner” suggests strongly that this is how he believes.**
 
First, there are many times where Protestants more than Catholics but Catholics as well, will in a situation where there are many faiths present, pray and not use the name of Christ…that doesn’t mean much in regards to living out one’s faith. In all of his dealings in the Christian community he does not shy away from praying to Christ.
Second, while I in no way agree with his divorce, even the Catholic Church will never go so far as to say that having a divorce lessens one’s christianity, it like so many other things, is a sin and therefore is bad, very bad in this case, but it does not fundamentally negate one’s Christianity. I would only ask this one thing, do you say everyone who is divorced is somehow lessened in their Christianity.

Tootles and love
The issue isn’t the particular sin or wrongdoing. Sin and wrongdoing abound among Christians. If they didn’t, we wouldn’t need the Sacrament of Penance.

The issue is, rather, claiming that something which is sinful or wrong is no sin, or right. Robinson has stood witness to the teaching that neither homosexual acts nor divorce are sinful or wrong. This stands in direct opposition to the historic Christian teachings.

To sin is human. To deny that a sin is a sin is much worse than the sin itself.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
From nhepiscopal.org

Bishop’s Message
A Prayer for the Nation and Our Next President, Barack Obama
By
Jan 18, 2009, 05:28

A Prayer for the Nation and Our Next President, Barack Obama

By The Rt. Rev. V. Gene Robinson, Episcopal Bishop of New Hampshire

Opening Inaugural Event

Lincoln Memorial, Washington, DC

January 18, 2009

Welcome to Washington! The fun is about to begin, but first, please join me in pausing for a moment, to ask God’s blessing upon our nation and our next president.

O God of our many understandings, we pray that you will…

Bless us with tears – for a world in which over a billion people exist on less than a dollar a day, where young women from many lands are beaten and raped for wanting an education, and thousands die daily from malnutrition, malaria, and AIDS.

Bless us with anger – at discrimination, at home and abroad, against refugees and immigrants, women, people of color, gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

Bless us with discomfort – at the easy, simplistic “answers” we’ve preferred to hear from our politicians, instead of the truth, about ourselves and the world, which we need to face if we are going to rise to the challenges of the future.

Bless us with patience – and the knowledge that none of what ails us will be “fixed” anytime soon, and the understanding that our new president is a human being, not a messiah.

Bless us with humility – open to understanding that our own needs must always be balanced with those of the world.

Bless us with freedom from mere tolerance – replacing it with a genuine respect and warm embrace of our differences, and an understanding that in our diversity, we are stronger.

Bless us with compassion and generosity – remembering that every religion’s God judges us by the way we care for the most vulnerable in the human community, whether across town or across the world.

And God, we give you thanks for your child Barack, as he assumes the office of President of the United States.

Give him wisdom beyond his years, and inspire him with Lincoln’s reconciling leadership style, President Kennedy’s ability to enlist our best efforts, and Dr. King’s dream of a nation for ALL the people.

Give him a quiet heart, for our Ship of State needs a steady, calm captain in these times.

Give him stirring words, for we will need to be inspired and motivated to make the personal and common sacrifices necessary to facing the challenges ahead.

Make him color-blind, reminding him of his own words that under his leadership, there will be neither red nor blue states, but the United States.

Help him remember his own oppression as a minority, drawing on that experience of discrimination, that he might seek to change the lives of those who are still its victims.

Give him the strength to find family time and privacy, and help him remember that even though he is president, a father only gets one shot at his daughters’ childhoods.

And please, God, keep him safe. We know we ask too much of our presidents, and we’re asking FAR too much of this one. We know the risk he and his wife are taking for all of us, and we implore you, O good and great God, to keep him safe. Hold him in the palm of your hand – that he might do the work we have called him to do, that he might find joy in this impossible calling, and that in the end, he might lead us as a nation to a place of integrity, prosperity and peace.

AMEN.
 
From nhepiscopal.org

Bless us with patience – and the knowledge that none of what ails us will be “fixed” anytime soon, and the understanding that our new president is a human being, not a messiah.

AMEN.
Thanks for posting the prayer. I did appreciate his challenge in the above quote but I will say, as promised, his prayer wasn’t “especially Christian.” Oh well, maybe it is too much to think a Bishop might mention the gospel or Jesus’ name. Important concerns touched on but also standard fare liberal diatribe.
 
Thanks for posting the prayer. I did appreciate his challenge in the above quote but I will say, as promised, his prayer wasn’t “especially Christian.” Oh well, maybe it is too much to think a Bishop might mention the gospel or Jesus’ name. Important concerns touched on but also standard fare liberal diatribe.
Oh yes, those liberals that preach about reaching out to those that suffer from poverty, those that are hungry, those that suffer from illnesses, those that are discriminitated against…Sounds a lot like what Jesus spoke about which to me is very inspiring and humbling.

youtube.com/watch?v=7CobNWUXb1M

God Bless!
 
What a perfectly inoffensive, lovey-dovey, New-Agey, not-particularly-Christian-at-all sort of a prayer. Nothing should ever be tough, no one should have to work hard, nothing should ever have to be learned - least of all respect! Bishop Robinson is such a special little snowflake. It’s just too darned bad all those so-called conservatives are just so mean. Let’s all celebrate our diversity with a big group hug:
:grouphug:
Let’s do it again!!!11!!
:grouphug:

:aok: I’m OK, you’re OK!
Bless us with patience – and the knowledge that none of what ails us will be “fixed” anytime soon, and the understanding that our new president is a human being, not a messiah.
Why is it necessary to acknowledge this at all? Honestly, the cult of personality surrounding the new President is seriously creepy and I hate to see some so-called Christian bishop playing right along with it. Yuck.
 
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