Episcopal Bishops in Rome - meeting the Pope

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Don_Ruggero said:
Pope Francis has a splendid sense of fraternitas and a sense of historic drama. His visit to the Patriarch of Constantinople, using the image of Peter visiting his brother Andrew, was very touching and endearing…and remarkably personal.

The ties of Rome and Canterbury though are also quite profound. One of my favorite places in the eternal city is San Gregorio al Celio…the site of the home of Pope Saint Gregory, which he turned into the monastery of Saint Andrew. It is from there that he sent Saint Augustine of Canterbury and his companion monks to southeast England.

I so vividly remember the day in 1989 when Lord Runcie came to Rome and he and Pope John Paul II met precisely at that spot on the Caelian Hill. I also remember almost a decade later the 1400th anniversary celebration in England of Saint Augustine’s arrival in Canterbury in 597. Another poster remarked the friendship between Pope Paul VI and Lord Ramsay.

There are so many bonds to be celebrated and to be grateful for between the Holy See and Britain. The present atmosphere of cordiality and cooperation is so much better than the animus and mutual suspicion and disdain of a previous era…thankfully.
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It’s good to have you here, posting very positive and encouraging things. I think the bonds between Rome and Canterbury will continue to flourish, especially with our two leaders. May it be so. Even with women moving into the Episcopacy in England. Look at the reception our US Bishops got. Francis is setting a fine precedent in his gracious reception.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
Pope Francis has a splendid sense of fraternitas and a sense of historic drama. His visit to the Patriarch of Constantinople, using the image of Peter visiting his brother Andrew, was very touching and endearing…and remarkably personal.

The ties of Rome and Canterbury though are also quite profound. One of my favorite places in the eternal city is San Gregorio al Celio…the site of the home of Pope Saint Gregory, which he turned into the monastery of Saint Andrew. It is from there that he sent Saint Augustine of Canterbury and his companion monks to southeast England.

I so vividly remember the day in 1989 when Lord Runcie came to Rome and he and Pope John Paul II met precisely at that spot on the Caelian Hill. I also remember almost a decade later the 1400th anniversary celebration in England of Saint Augustine’s arrival in Canterbury in 597. Another poster remarked the friendship between Pope Paul VI and Lord Ramsay.

There are so many bonds to be celebrated and to be grateful for between the Holy See and Britain. The present atmosphere of cordiality and cooperation is so much better than the animus and mutual suspicion and disdain of a previous era…thankfully.
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natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2003d/101703/101703e.htm

Also:

anglicannews.org/news/2005/04/archbishop-to-attend-popes-funeral,-photographs-from-westminster-solemn-vespers.aspx
 
GKC said:
natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2003d/101703/101703e.htm

Also:

anglicannews.org/news/2005/04/archbishop-to-attend-popes-funeral,-photographs-from-westminster-solemn-vespers.aspx
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Really lovely stories. I knew some of it but not the whole thing. It makes me wonder why some people on each side of ‘the Tiber’ are so very angry at the ‘other.’ I understand history and I understand theology, but these leaders are going past that in their recognition of each other.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Really lovely stories. I knew some of it but not the whole thing. It makes me wonder why some people on each side of ‘the Tiber’ are so very angry at the ‘other.’ I understand history and I understand theology, but these leaders are going past that in their recognition of each other.
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I am not all that fond of selected folks on one side of the Tiber, myself.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I agree. Thank you for your words. I know I have shown this picture before, but perhaps it’s worth showing again. The Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury was asked by the Pope to bless him. To me, it implies humility and great respect on the part of Pope Francis. And an honor bestowed upon Canterbury.
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In case anyone is scandalized by this photo, remember that lay people can bless other people, like parents blessing their children. So there is no reason why The Pope cannot ask the archbishop of Canterbury to bless him and pray for him.
 
phil19034 said:
In case anyone is scandalized by this photo, remember that lay people can bless other people, like parents blessing their children. So there is no reason why The Pope cannot ask the archbishop of Canterbury to bless him and pray for him.
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Thank you for saying that Phil. 🙂 I’m going to venture a guess that there are many reading this for whom that needed to be said.
 
It’s interesting, last Sunday my priest told me that we are supposed to avoid causing scandal (and even the pope has mentioned this in his homilies) and that is why he didn’t offer a homily after the readings about marriage and divorce and adultery. I thought, hey, what a great time to offer some church teaching so that all of us won’t be so confused anymore. I guess not.

Yet, apparently, it is okay to cause scandal in this sense. Does it not cause a lot of scandal in the minds of many catholics when Pope Francis consistently meets with people who continue to live an unrepentant life in conflict with the teachings of Christ? I understand eating with sinners, as we are all sinners, but how is anyone going to take stuff like this if a good healthy dose of teaching is not served alongside of these pastoral acts.

I love Pope Francis, and I love my parish priest, but since when is telling the truth and teaching right and wrong while meeting with us sinners such a terrible thing.
 
benjamindt said:
It’s interesting, last Sunday my priest told me that we are supposed to avoid causing scandal (and even the pope has mentioned this in his homilies) and that is why he didn’t offer a homily after the readings about marriage and divorce and adultery. I thought, hey, what a great time to offer some church teaching so that all of us won’t be so confused anymore. I guess not.

Yet, apparently, it is okay to cause scandal in this sense. Does it not cause a lot of scandal in the minds of many catholics when Pope Francis consistently meets with people who continue to live an unrepentant life in conflict with the teachings of Christ? I understand eating with sinners, as we are all sinners, but how is anyone going to take stuff like this if a good healthy dose of teaching is not served alongside of these pastoral acts.

I love Pope Francis, and I love my parish priest, but since when is telling the truth and teaching right and wrong while meeting with us sinners such a terrible thing.
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I was thinking something similar. I agree that a repentant sinner should be welcomed, but should an unrepentant sinner, who is determined to continue in his sinful lifestyle, be welcomed without some sort of admonition?
 
Tomdstone said:
I was thinking something similar. I agree that a repentant sinner should be welcomed, but should an unrepentant sinner, who is determined to continue in his sinful lifestyle, be welcomed without some sort of admonition?
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No you remain steadfast with love for all. It doesn’t mean you have to secede to them in a debate or completely refuse to compromise with them on theology. But acting uncharitably and unloving towards anybody never accomplishes anything,

But, in this case, they do not even believe that they are sinning. If these were rapists, or something of the sort, it would be different if you were to be less accommodating and eager to correspond with with the mere idea of simply exchanging pleasentries. But these are people with Theological differences. They are not murderers etc.
 
St_Redemption said:
No you remain steadfast with love for all. It doesn’t mean you have to secede to them in a debate or completely refuse to compromise with them on theology. But acting uncharitably and unloving towards anybody never accomplishes anything,

But, in this case, they do not even believe that they are sinning. If these were rapists, or something of the sort, it would be different if you were to be less accommodating and eager to correspond with with the mere idea of simply exchanging pleasentries. But these are people with Theological differences. They are not murderers etc.
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Sin is sin, whether you think it is or isn’t. The ignorance of the sinner doesn’t negate the sin, but perhaps it may negate the effects of that sin.

Regardless, your analogy falls flat because many rapists/murderers/pedophiles don’t think they’re doing anything wrong, but we know it’s wrong, because it’s wrong. Same thing with all sin.

Jesus equates lying with murder, all sin is evil.
 
Brandon_Cal said:
I’m sorry, but this is almost too pastoral. Does His Holiness not realize that these photo ops speak to intention and complicity? Historians 500 years from now will be looking back on these photos arguing whether they serve as evidence that Pope Francis supported “Women Priests”.

The Orthodox are looking better and better each day…
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Well, since his pontificate is not yet over, I would think such photos are meaningless, especially in light of the fact that he is in fact against female ordination vis a vis the CC. Moreover, the pope’s methods are actually working for and not against orthodoxy in that those who are liberally-minded might feel compelled to look into the Church and it’s teachings in more depth than they would if someone more hard-nosed was at the helm.

p.s. Just look at the amount of media coverage the pope has received, be it good or bad, it is forcing people to discuss religion, faith, morals. . . etc., and making those who wouldn’t look twice at the church, reconsider.
 
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