Episcopal Church Communion

[Lepanto]

Go read every document from the Second Vatican Council and all of John Paul the Great’s letters on ecumenism.

Actually, yes, I have read much of the sixteen documents of Vatican II, in addition to much of the post-conciliar documents and the writings of JP2. And yet, in none of those writings is Pius’s declaration ever abrogated.

So again I ask: assuming that you have read anything that any pope has said since 1928 that formally abrogates Mortalium Animos – please post it.

The onus is on you.

 

[PaixGioiaAmor]

Actually, yes, I have read much of the sixteen documents of Vatican II, in addition to much of the post-conciliar documents and the writings of JP2. And yet, in none of those writings is Pius’s declaration ever abrogated.

And what did you get from them? What did they say about Ecumenism?
So again I ask: assuming that you have read anything that any pope has said since 1928 that formally abrogates Mortalium Animos – please post it.

The onus is on you.

The onus is on you to explain to me why a 1928 document takes precedence over many other, more recent documents.

 

[PaixGioiaAmor]

I can assure you of two facts: the Church did not begin in 1963; and John Paul II was not the only Pope to ever issue documents regarding this issue. It is still, as it ever was, a sin for a Catholic to participate in non-Catholic worship, for such a thing leads to an acceptance of non-Catholic ideas.

I see. Vatican II was probably a mistake, right? John Paul was a liberal? I can’t wait to hear.

 

[Marian_Carroll]

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[scylla]

It would be sinful to receive as you would be denying your faith in the Catholic Church.

There is no problem singing and fostering good feelings between you and our separated brothers.

Sit in your seat in silent prayer, their pastor cannot bless you so rather than misrepresent your faith. There probably are some people who sit out from communion at your parish and we should not judge each other or gossip. We should just concentrate on our own faithfulness to God instead of looking at others.
I am preaching that but sometimes I forget and I look at others at Mass and allow their actions to distract me.

So if you just kneel and pray with your eyes closed there should be no awkwardness as you wont be looking at anyone else and they wont be staring at you.

In Christ
Scylla

 

[Pong]

It is still, as it ever was, a sin for a Catholic to participate in non-Catholic worship, for such a thing leads to an acceptance of non-Catholic ideas.

You are just plain wrong.

 

[puzzleannie]

If you are Catholic, you can only receive communion in a Catholic Mass. To receive in any other church would be a lie (since they have fallen out of communion with the Catholic Church). It would be a sin to receive.

Also, no offense, but why are you participating in Episcopalian choirs and services in the first place? If you are part of a traveling choir I would avoid events at Protestant churches.

there is no objection whatever to singing in the choir at another church. you may not receive communion in a non-Catholic church because that would imply a unity that does not, sadly, exist within Christendom. you would presumably as a choir member sing when the others are singing, and remain quietly silent when they are not.

Catholics may receive communion, validly consecrated by a Catholic priest in a licit Mass, outside Mass, such as at a communion service, for the sick etc.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

It only encourages indifferentism in those who already have a tendency towards being indifferent. The OP only asked for documented clarification of a point. For those of us who are faithful Catholics, well grounded in the faith, and able to clearly differentiate between Catholic and non-Catholic, there is no problem. Quoting a 1928 document proves nothing especially in light of the 1993 Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms of Ecumenism. Times have changed, friend.

It is important to read the newer documents in the light of the older documents. Just as it is important to read the documents of Vatican II with the other Councils, especially Trent and Vatican I, in mind. Our attendance at worship services of separated Christian communities is cautioned by the Church but not prohibited with serious reason. Ecumenical gatherings with prayer for Christian unity are encouraged.

 

[Pong]

Brother Rich- You and I are in agreement. My previous statement was directed at lepanto, not at you.

 

[THurifer2]

I see. Vatican II was probably a mistake, right? John Paul was a liberal? I can’t wait to hear.

No but the interpretations of the council have done some serious damage. By interpretations I mean the infamous “spirit” of vatican II.

With that in mind and staying on topic …It is a sin to recieve at an Episcopal Service…I have read ALL of the counciliar documents especially the decrees on ecuminism. SEVERAL TIMES now. Including just about everything JPII has written ANd must agree with the others. It is an outright lie to say VII abrogated the restriction of participation in worship services with protestants… This misunderstanding no doubt springs for improper interpretation and twisting of recent Vatican decrees of which includes those documents of Vatican II.

 

[PaixGioiaAmor]

A Catholic should not receive communion at another faith’s church.

There is no prohibition in participating in authentic worship of the same God with likeminded Christians who are not Catholics.

Period.

 

[THutch04]

Others have given you the official documents discussing why you can’t receive. It’s not a sin to participate in a choral event as long as you don’t miss Mass. Just sit quietly and be respectful.

 

[prv]

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A simple answer to the question at hand—don’t receive. Period. We have our own church where the Body and Blood of Christ may be received. Just don’t do it.