Episcopal Church (USA) Conflicts

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So is this a split? You know they have that Anglican use (rite) thingie…:whistle:
We will leave the light on for them just in case. :dancing:
 
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The vestries of the parishes of Falls Church and Truro, historical, large and rich parishes of the Episcopal Church located in northern Virginia in the USA, take off the gloves in a dispute with the Episcopal Bishop of Virginia as to the parishes’ moves to leave the Episcopal Church.

trurochurch.org/files/TFC%20&%20Truro-response%20to%20Lee%202006.12.02.pdf
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One more thing…Good for them for sticking up for what is right and true! 👍 (I got permission from ALLFORHIM to use the thumps up Smilie)
 
Stephen_C said:
So is this a split? You know they have that Anglican use (rite) thingie…:whistle:
We will leave the light on for them just in case. :dancing:
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Its the beginning move of a split. One of many, unfortunately (or fortunately however you view it) involving the Episcopal Church. I believe that these parishes are more evangelical than Anglo-Catholic though, so I don’t know how many folks have left/would leave those churches for the Catholic Church. Some, probably…
 
Good for them. I know it must be hard to walk away like that. Let me correct that, it must be hard to watch your church and bishops walk away from you like that. Maybe they can find a home in our Anglican Rite? 🙂

This is the thing that I’ve always found puzzling about the trend and desire for liberal theology within the church. People for the most part don’t come to church to be condoned. They come for instruction and guidance.

Also how can you have any confidence in your faith when it has no foundation. They ignore the Apostalic Traditions AND Bibilical instruction. Exactly what other guidance can they espouse to have as a foundation?

Faith is there to connect us to the eternal, immutable and absolute Truth. Following a path that can be moved with each passing wind is to destroy the only reason for a church’s existance.
 
I’m going to comment on the Falls Church. I am a resident of Falls Church Virginia, our town is named after this TEC parish. I went to pre-school at this church and a certain family member taught there at one point. I dont see them becoming Catholic. They are highly evangelical, very conservative, but not in the Catholic sense per say.
 
These “Virginia churchmen” if they go will likely join the “Reformed Episcopal Church” a definately Protestant denomiination that went into schism over 150 years ago.

Virginia Churchmen are very low church Protestants. George Washington was a Virginia churchman who was a member of his parish’es vestry, he never showed up when they had the “Lords Supper” a whopping four times a year.

Virginia Churchmen call the Priests “ministers” instead of preists, and they call them “Mister” instead of “father”.
 
boppysbud said:
These “Virginia churchmen” if they go will likely join the “Reformed Episcopal Church” a definately Protestant denomiination that went into schism over 150 years ago.

Virginia Churchmen are very low church Protestants. George Washington was a Virginia churchman who was a member of his parish’es vestry, he never showed up when they had the “Lords Supper” a whopping four times a year.

Virginia Churchmen call the Priests “ministers” instead of preists, and they call them “Mister” instead of “father”.
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Neither of those parishes are Anglo-Catholic, yet neither are as “low” as you suggest either. I seriously doubt that they will join the REC. Instead, they are planning to join a convocation of Anglican Churches in Virginia that will be headed by an American Bishop, the former priest at Truro, who was ordained by the Nigerian Church. Eventually, I think that the aim would be to have a separate Province of the Anglican Church in the US which would not be a part of the Episcopal Church, yet still part of the Anglican Communion. If that happens, you may see the Convocation and other Anglican churches group together under that umbrella. Whether the Anglo-Catholics of the Traditional Anglican Communion and the Continuing Anglican Churches would join as well is another question.
 
Anybody ever see a video of a sinking ship? The image comes to mind when I read stories like this lately. Ships often break into smaller pieces on the way to the bottom. The weight of water in the breached compartments creates stresses the keel was never designed for. Once the keel is broken, there is very little holding the rest together. A sad and tragic process.

Good thing there is a sturdy barque nearby to pickup survivors. All hands deploy boarding nets!!!
 
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Neither of those parishes are Anglo-Catholic, yet neither are as “low” as you suggest either. I seriously doubt that they will join the REC. Instead, they are planning to join a convocation of Anglican Churches in Virginia that will be headed by an American Bishop, the former priest at Truro, who was ordained by the Nigerian Church. Eventually, I think that the aim would be to have a separate Province of the Anglican Church in the US which would not be a part of the Episcopal Church, yet still part of the Anglican Communion. If that happens, you may see the Convocation and other Anglican churches group together under that umbrella. Whether the Anglo-Catholics of the Traditional Anglican Communion and the Continuing Anglican Churches would join as well is another question.
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That is, they will likely approach the Anglican Mission in America.

As to your last point, it is highly unlikely, indeed. Collars on females, for example.

GKC
 
An update. These very faithful, and very old (for the USA at least) Episcopal congregations have voted overwhelmingly (90%+) to leave the Episcopal Diocese of Virginia and the Episcopal Church. The conservative elements within the Episcopal Church are starting to splinter and the Church is coming apart at the seams. Yet, it is not like the Episcopal Church will take this (and similar moves by others churches across the country) with grace.

Now things get ugly. Bishop Lee, the Episcopal Bishop of Virginia, has vowed not to allow the congregations to take their property with them, describing them as Ugandan and Nigerian congregations occupying Episcopal Church buildings. (The canonical organizations which these parishes now intend to join are missions of the conservative Ugandan and Nigerian branches of the Anglican Church, which are traditional expressions of Anglicanism). None of these Virginia parishes are in the mood to simply hand over their property, historical churches where, among others, George Washington worshipped and which pre-date the formation of the Episcopal Church itself. They have been maintained as places of worship by conservative, faithful Episcopalians throughout the years and these parishes do not feel like handing them over to a church that they feel so strongly about that they voted overwhelmingly to leave. I am quite afraid that the biblical admonishment of lawsuits among believers is about to be ignored…won’t be the first time the Episcopal Church has ignored Scriptural teachings.

Please pray that God’s grace will abound in this situation and that God’s will shall be done.

titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/

babybluecafe.blogspot.com/2006/12/falls-church-and-truro-church-vote.html

episcopalchurch.org/3577_80571_ENG_HTM.htm

bismarcktribune.com/articles/2006/12/17/ap/us/d8m2qtqg1.txt
 
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