Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

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Episcopal Committee Is Working on Gay Rite

Armed with a new $400,000 grant and the support of the Episcopal Church, a Berkeley seminary is convening priests from across the country to craft the liturgical rite for same-sex couples to receive religious blessings.

The new rite, which will take years to complete, will most likely consist of a series of original prayers, Bible readings and two essays: one on the theological meaning of same-sex blessings, and one advising priests who administer the new rite. If approved, the new blessing would be just the third addition to Episcopal liturgy since 1979.
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A good friend of mine gave me a copy of the rite suggested to be included in the Book of Common Prayer. It’s been a while since I read it…but it appears to be based on the rite already in the BoCP for straight people. I supplied him with a copy of the Quaker marriage procedure for same sex couples.
 
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A good friend of mine gave me a copy of the rite suggested to be included in the Book of Common Prayer. It’s been a while since I read it…but it appears to be based on the rite already in the BoCP for straight people. I supplied him with a copy of the Quaker marriage procedure for same sex couples.
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There is no such thing as marriage for same sex couples.
 
i wonder what Bible readings they are including. i’d like to volunteer to help on that one. may i suggest:

Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Romans 1:24-32
 
1holycatholic said:
There is no such thing as marriage for same sex couples.
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I think depends on where you live. Same-sex marriage is legal in 10 countries, not counting the US. Here, five states plus the District of Columbia allow it. And there are additional states which recognize such marriages performed elsewhere.

What I find interesting is that the Episcopal Church seems to be taking pains not to call the blessing of same-sex couples a marriage ceremony. This evasion doesn’t seem to satisfy the conservatives in TEC, but I suppose the name change is meant to soften the blow.
 
Dale_M said:
I think depends on where you live. Same-sex marriage is legal in 10 countries, not counting the US. Here, five states plus the District of Columbia allow it. And there are additional states which recognize such marriages performed elsewhere.

What I find interesting is that the Episcopal Church seems to be taking pains not to call the blessing of same-sex couples a marriage ceremony. This evasion doesn’t seem to satisfy the conservatives in TEC, but I suppose the name change is meant to soften the blow.
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Where you live is irrelevant. There is no such thing as marriage for same sex couples.
 
this news does not surprise me. it seems an obvious step for TEC to make.
 
Dale_M said:
I think depends on where you live. Same-sex marriage is legal in 10 countries, not counting the US. Here, five states plus the District of Columbia allow it. And there are additional states which recognize such marriages performed elsewhere.

What I find interesting is that the Episcopal Church seems to be taking pains not to call the blessing of same-sex couples a marriage ceremony. This evasion doesn’t seem to satisfy the conservatives in TEC, but I suppose the name change is meant to soften the blow.
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And for the fifty-million-trillionth time since Adam, somebody decides for themselves what is good. You’d think we’d begin to get it.

Biblical Israel with its asherah never thought it was sinning against God, either.
 
timotheos said:
And for the fifty-million-trillionth time since Adam, somebody decides for themselves what is good. You’d think we’d begin to get it. .
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Each of us decides for ourselves what is good. We do this every day, even if it means continuing to give assent to past decisions.

For example, we exercise regularly, not necessarily because we enjoy it (although some do) but because we think it is good for us. We believe it fits with reality and our eventual happiness.

We stay in a troubled marriage, because in the long run, we believe it will be good for us and our family. We believe that is that right thing to do, and will lead to our happiness

We follow the teachings of the Catholic Church because we believe it is good for us, because it fits with reality and what God wants. Or we may believe the Catholic Church does not have a good understanding of God, so we follow the teachings of (say) the Episcopal Church… because we believe it is good for us and lead to our happiness. Or we follow the principles of Buddhism because we think it is good for us, fitting with reality and guiding us toward happiness. etc.
 
Dale_M said:
Each of us decides for ourselves what is good. We do this every day, even if it means continuing to give assent to past decisions.

For example, we exercise regularly, not necessarily because we enjoy it (although some do) but because we think it is good for us.

We stay in a troubled marriage, because in the long run, we believe it will be good for us and our family.

We follow the teachings of the Catholic Church because we believe it is good for us. Or we don’t believe the Catholic Church has a good understanding of God, so we follow the teachings of the Episcopal Church… because we believe it is good for us. Or we follow the principles of Buddhism because we think it is good for us. etc.
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Meta-ethical moral relativism. :eek:

Rubbish!
 
1holycatholic said:
Meta-ethical moral relativism.
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Oh, not at all.

I revised my statement to clarify, but you beat me to the punch. Please read my revised statement. I am not saying that what is good for one person may not be good for another person and that therefore all differences of opinion are valid.

What I am saying is that people do have different understandings of the world. The members of non-Catholic religions think that the Church does not understand reality and God, properly. So what the Catholic Church says is God’s will is acceptable to Catholics, but non-Catholics may reject it as error.

But whether Catholic or non-Catholic, we are both pursuing the Good. We just disagree on what the nature of God, reality and Good is. A faithful Catholic decides what is good based upon his understanding of God and reality… and that good he has chosen means following the Church.
 
Dale_M said:
What I am saying is that people do have different understandings of the world.
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2 + 2 = 4 even if your understanding is 2 + 2 = 5.

There are absolute truths. Morality doesn’t get a pass on this fact.
 
Dale_M said:
Each of us decides for ourselves what is good. We do this every day, even if it means continuing to give assent to past decisions.

We follow the teachings of the Catholic Church because we believe it is good for us, because it fits with reality and what God wants. Or we may believe the Catholic Church does not have a good understanding of God, so we follow the teachings of (say) the Episcopal Church… because we believe it is good for us and lead to our happiness. Or we follow the principles of Buddhism because we think it is good for us, fitting with reality and guiding us toward happiness. etc.
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Well put. We are Catholics or Methodists or Buddhists as a matter of faith and not because of rigid logical deduction. It is our personal assent to the teachings of a particular religion that makes it true for us, I think.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Well put. We are Catholics or Methodists or Buddhists as a matter of faith and not because of rigid logical deduction. It is our personal assent to the teachings of a particular religion that makes it true for us, I think.
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That’s fideism and it’s explicitly contrary to the teaching of the Catholic Church (CCC #37.)
 
Dale_M said:
But whether Catholic or non-Catholic, we are both pursuing the Good. We just disagree on what the nature of God, reality and Good is. A faithful Catholic decides what is good based upon his understanding of God and reality… and that good he has chosen means following the Church.
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Or not following it, based on his understanding and assent to faith.
 
Dale_M said:
Each of us decides for ourselves what is good. We do this every day, even if it means continuing to give assent to past decisions.

For example, we exercise regularly, not necessarily because we enjoy it (although some do) but because we think it is good for us. We believe it fits with reality and our eventual happiness.

We stay in a troubled marriage, because in the long run, we believe it will be good for us and our family. We believe that is that right thing to do, and will lead to our happiness

We follow the teachings of the Catholic Church because we believe it is good for us, because it fits with reality and what God wants. Or we may believe the Catholic Church does not have a good understanding of God, so we follow the teachings of (say) the Episcopal Church… because we believe it is good for us and lead to our happiness. Or we follow the principles of Buddhism because we think it is good for us, fitting with reality and guiding us toward happiness. etc.
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Dale_M said:
What I am saying is that people do have different understandings of the world. The members of non-Catholic religions think that the Church does not understand reality and God, properly. So what the Catholic Church says is God’s will is acceptable to Catholics, but non-Catholics may reject it as error.

But whether Catholic or non-Catholic, we are both pursuing the Good. We just disagree on what the nature of God, reality and Good is. A faithful Catholic decides what is good based upon his understanding of God and reality… and that good he has chosen means following the Church.
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Very wise words. They show that you do indeed have a true understanding of reality.
 
1holycatholic said:
2 + 2 = 4 even if your understanding is 2 + 2 = 5.

There are absolute truths. Morality doesn’t get a pass on this fact.
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Yes, that is very true. 👍

When doing math, one person may get the wrong results, and the other get the right results. But both use reason to perform calculations, and both persons believe they have achieved the right results. They believe their calculations fit with reality, so they choose to believe that result. They consider it good.

This doesn’t mean that both results are correct. My disagreement with your earlier statement is that you complained “And for the fifty-million-trillionth time since Adam, somebody decides for themselves what is good.”

I merely pointed out that each of us decides what is good. However, some of us are right and some of us are wrong. You follow the Church because you believe it is right. Another person may disagree with the Church. But both you and that other person is deciding what is good.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
And, if one is a Lutheran, CC 37 has little meaning for him. And, Catholics too, may reject the Lutheran Catechism.
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Catholics who accept the Lutheran Catechism excommunicate themselves from the Church Latæ Sententiæ.
 
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