Episcopal Presiding Bishop Michael Curry to preach at Henry and Meghan's Wedding

[Thom18]

I think you’ll find that Catholics are at least equally as disgusted or appalled by abortion and euthanasia, human cloning and embryonic stem cell research. If someone claiming to stand with God approves of these things, they’ll be called out. They’ll also be called out if they don’t believe in God. Trying to turn this into a “you guys are obsessed with homosexuals and homosexual sex” issue falls flat.

 

[Thom18]

Oh, look at that. My last response (which I started before you posted, in response to the OP) actually perfectly responds to your last post.

Happy mistake.

 

[QwertyGirl]

Actually, it is exactly what many here are obsessed with. Look at the threads. There is another very popular one going on right now all about masturbation and prostate health. Same thing.

It is your choice to obsess about the things you want to obsess over. I just think it is a shame that someone posted here to provide information about a happy occassion, and the usuals had to turn it into the “homosexual” issue. I find it distasteful, and the remarks are offensive.

I am finished with this thread now. Thanks.

 

[Thom18]

Actually, it is exactly what many her are obsessed with. Look at the threads. There is another very popular one going on right now all about masturbation and prostate health. Same thing.

It is your choice to obsess about the things you want to obsess over. I just think it is a shame that someone posted here to provide information about a happy occassion, and the usuals had to turn it into the “homosexual” issue. I find it distasteful, and the remarks are offensive.

I am finished with this thread now. Thanks.

I didn’t start the fire. It was always burning.

If he supports abortion, euthanasia, or the other two issues I mentioned, give me a heads up. I’ll be sure to call him out on those, too. If he doesn’t believe in the Real Presence, I’ll do the same. Ditto on the papacy (though that one’s fairly obvious).

 

[Thom18]

P.S. I read those threads, too. I’ve seen my fair share of replies that go along the lines of, “Geez, another thread about sex?”

 

[Norseman82]

That is what was reported. You can believe what you wish.

I am a practicing Anglican, so Fatima is something that holds little interest for me, but perhaps the topic of ‘sins of the flesh’ is directed at the plank in the eye of the Roman Church and not so much of others. I don’t know, but logic would say that the words would be directed to Catholic believers.

Well, this is Catholic Answers Forum…

 

[ComplineSanFran]

Well, this is Catholic Answers Forum…

And you are in Non-Catholic Religions at the moment. As I said earlier, this thread is in celebration of a unique wedding. The comparison here, I believe, is between the Church of England and the Anglican/Episcopal Church in the US. We’ll see a real difference in styles on Saturday. Bishop Michael Curry has his own place, tho, in the world of styles. He is not like many Bishops I know. I don’t know how well he and Justin Welby know each other, but they have very different personalities, which I am certain will come out during the Liturgy. Regardless of styles, I am looking forward to the ceremony. If it is one thing that Anglicans - especially British Anglicans - do well, it is liturgical ceremony.

 

[QContinuum]

Trying to turn this into a “you guys are obsessed with homosexuals and homosexual sex” issue falls flat.

It was a Catholic upthread who reduced the entirety of the good bishop’s ministry to his stance on homosexuality. And several chimed in with agreement. So respectfully, you guys did make it all about the gay sex.

This is a thread about H & M’s wedding and their choice of who to preach. Not even 10 posts into this thread, someone has concluded it’s all because of gays.

That’s the hallmark of a remarkably biased viewpoint, where one skips over all the very immediate and obvious reasons for such a decision, and jumps right to the most offensive thing (for Catholics apparently).

Just in case a reader gets curious about the non-gay reasons, here are a few possibilities:

1. An American is marrying a British royal. Ergo, it would be considered polite to invite an American bishop from the CoE’s sister church, TEC.
2. They appreciate his preaching style, or he’s come recommended to them by someone in the CoE who does.
3. He’s AA, so is she. Nice to have someone who can speak to and understand her particular experiences as such.

Oh forget it. I’m sure it’s all because he hearts rainbows.

 

[MichaelP3]

I think it is interesting and would like to see the outcome. Thanks for the information.

For some strange reason (actually very much expected) some obsessed individuals turned this friendly discussion very sour very quickly. But hey, we are used to that on here, so no surprise! Every situation is used to some degree here to just 'attempt to make a point". The rest of “us” luckaly sees that

Thanks again

Regards

 

[exnihilo]

Why is it always about the sex? Can’t you appreciate any of the other good things? Always so concerned about sex and homosexuals and homosexual sex.

Because people like pleasure. They like it so much they are willing to abandon morality for it.

Do the math and see what percentage of time God and /or Jesus spent discussing homosexuality (or sex at all) in the bible. It is a fraction of the time he spent on the other important issues.

As mentioned Jesus didn’t need to say anything more than once. And he didn’t even need to say everything. Reason alone can tell us a lot about what is right and wrong. How is it you determine the ‘important issues’ and how is your judgment inspired?

Suit yourself. I guess you are a-OK with fixation on all things you perceive as sexual (as in wrong), rather than celebrating the good things.

The problem is not ours. The problem is the good things are outweighed by the serious error. Catholics don’t believe we are judged by having over good works weighed against our bad works. There is a great irony here as the topic is about Protestants who often accuse Catholics of having a works based righteousness.

 

[exnihilo]

It was a Catholic upthread who reduced the entirety of the good bishop’s ministry to his stance on homosexuality. And several chimed in with agreement. So respectfully, you guys did make it all about the gay sex.

For me that is enough. If someone promotes homosexual acts then I’m not going to listen to him at all in regards to spiritual matters. I’m sure you have some similar standard. So it isn’t that you object to having a standard. You just object to the standard being promotion of homosexual acts. That would be understandable if you yourself approve and promote homosexual acts or belong to an organization that does.

 

[GKMotley]

I think the Bis is an excellent choice to expose the world to contemporary Episcopalianism. I like that.

 

[AngelusDomini]

Sorry to state the obvious (as an ex Anglican) but as the orders are null and void why does any Catholic have to listen to him and take what he says seriously anyway?
It’s an Anglican service with Anglican participants.
It’s pointless getting all fired up over this on a Catholic Forum when on another thread it is stated that Anglican bishops are no more than laymen dressed up.
If it were a Catholic Bishop then there would be a reason to be commenting, but it’s not, and the Anglican Church has it’s own ideas.

 

[QContinuum]

So it isn’t that you object to having a standard. You just object to the standard being promotion of homosexual acts. That would be understandable if you yourself approve and promote homosexual acts or belong to an organization that does.

I object to Catholics reducing the topic to homosexuality (in a breathtaking diversion), whilst another stands up and says, “Look here, it’s just appalling that you think Catholics are obsessed with sex stuff.”

The most important standard in a discussion is the ability to recognize internal logical inconsistencies such as the above.

 

[exnihilo]

I don’t get what you are saying. Who is saying Catholics are obsessed with sex.

Pointing out the grave error in regards to sex promoted by a man claiming to be Christian and leading others isn’t obsessing. Pick whatever it is you disagree with (murder, pedophilia, racism etc) and replace homosexual acts with that. Would you listen to a man who promotes those things?

The obsession tactic is a way of saying the issue really isn’t important and you should ignore it. That presumes the person who is wrong (in promoting homosexual acts) is right.

 

[QContinuum]

I look forward to the crowd-watching. Should be good theater.

 

[QContinuum]

Pointing out the grave error in regards to sex promoted by a man claiming to be Christian and leading others isn’t obsessing. Pick whatever it is you disagree with (murder, pedophilia, racism etc) and replace homosexual acts with that. Would you listen to a man who promotes those things?

I disagree most strongly with how, in the past, many Catholic bishops failed to speak, and worse, to act in regards to known pedophiles. In fact, many were promoted and protected.

I still listen to the Pope and to many CC bishops.

 

[GKMotley]

Anglicanism has a lot of ideas, often contradictory. Motley, those Anglicans.

 

[QContinuum]

I must disagree in principal, GK.

 

[exnihilo]

I disagree most strongly with how, in the past, many Catholic bishops failed to speak, and worse, to act in regards to known pedophiles. In fact, many were promoted and protected.

I still listen to the Pope and to many CC bishops.

The protection of clergy who engaged in wrongful sex acts was bad. But there is a world of difference in that and saying those acts weren’t wrong at all.