Episcopal Presiding Bishop Michael Curry to preach at Henry and Meghan's Wedding

[GKMotley]

Thought had occurred to me.

 

[QwertyGirl]

Right. Because you can’t belong to a church that has the same issue and say that damages the credibility specifically of the Catholic Church.

But the issue isn’t the same, nor is it even close. The RCC scandal was the cover ups and the bullying to silence and the payoffs at all costs. There is no evidence that happens or happened in the Episcopal Church. That is the difference. Apples and Oranges.

 

[exnihilo]

But the issue isn’t the same, nor is it even close. The RCC scandal was the cover ups and the bullying to silence and the payoffs at all costs. There is no evidence that happens or happened in the Episcopal Church. That is the difference. Apples and Oranges.

Sadly that’s not true.

 

[QwertyGirl]

You believe anything that has happened in the Episcopal Church rises to the level of the scandals of the RCC? Is that what you really believe?

 

[GKMotley]

I don’t think TEC is circling the drain, as to its continued existence, just yet. But I suspect you and I would have a different view of what would constitute salvaging the situation.

I can understand the bitterness, though I don’t experience it, locally. I cannot imagine a balance between such different perspectives.

But to bring a smile to some RCs faces, my TEC sister and BIL, after watching just one too many, one-more-change, in the usual directions, are now RC. So, a small positive response, to a sad situation.

I’ve made my judgement on what TEC is, and what it may become. From that point on, my main point in discussing it, when I can’t avoid that, is to show that generalizations about Anglicanism are, generally, inaccurate. In a number of dimensions.

 

[phil19034]

The real example is in the threads. You just have to look at them for yourself.

I have decided to call posters out when they derail a thread by doing that, repeatedly.

There are thousands (if not tens of thousands) of threads on here.

I have NEVER seen a thread where I would consider orthodox posters to be obsessed.

I’m not going to take the time to read tons of threads to find something I don’t believe exists.

If you say it’s so, please provide an example. Otherwise, let’s just agree to disagree.

God Bless

 

[GKMotley]

Replied to inappropriate post.

 

[exnihilo]

You believe anything that has happened in the Episcopal Church rises to the level of the scandals of the RCC? Is that what you really believe?

Yes. The Catholic Church is much bigger. It is over a billion people. So it is kind of like asking if the scandals of Rhode Island compare to that of the entire rest of the US. In absolute numbers of course they can’t.

 

[QwertyGirl]

This thread we are in right now is a perfect example. Someone posts to provide information (in the non-Catholic Religions thread) about an event that may be of interest to others here. Next thing you know, it is all about homosexuality. What the heck???

I was in a thread recently where someone was describing problem with their teenager. Third post down, “does he look at pornography?”. Excuse me? The questions was about the kid being less that respectful to his elders. It goes on and on.

 

[QwertyGirl]

It went to the top. To the Vatican. It would be like something happening in Rhode Island and the White House covering it up.

 

[joeybaggz]

I have decided to call posters out when they derail a thread by doing that, repeatedly.

I indicated I liked one of your above posts regarding dragging the question of homosexuality into a thread that is about who is preaching the sermon at a royal wedding.

Your above peevishness about the number of sexually oriented threads however, is a bit off. I have had many good friends who, in the course of conversation (and without breaking the seal of confession) have said that about 80% of sins confessed are of a sexual nature. I don’t think there are as many serial parental abusers, murderers, bank robbers, preachers of libel and slander, or greedy, covetous Catholics, as there are those who trespass on the sanctity of the intimate relationship between man and wife. So, when there is a discussion of personal sin on this forum, I think you have to give the posters a break. It’s the big no-no so many of us have to deal with. I agree, threads are hijacked, but it is to be expected.

I suggest that if such posts annoy you, do what I am going to do when this royal wedding and its Bishop occur, go play a round of golf (or whatever floats your boat) and ignore it completely.
Shalom

 

[QwertyGirl]

I have to agree with you 100%. Gotta tell you, as a Catholic turned agnostic, my opinion is that the Catholic Church is pretty messed up when it comes to its teachings in this arena. Not my circus, but I hate to see the damage it does to the average person who still wants to be a member of the club. It appears obsessive, because it is obsessive.

Anyhow, golf sounds good. As soon as I am done healing from my recent surgery I just may pick it up.

 

[QContinuum]

To reply that the RCC is guilty of departing from orthodox Christianity, and moral and legal standards, in dealing with and punishing personal actions, as a defense, is likewise a tu quoque retort.

And see, in my view, it was a (terrible) departure from the faith, as established by Christ, himself. Whoever has harmed the least of these should be sunk into the bottom of a sea, courtesy of a millstone.

Not systematically hidden, protected, and defended by the hierarchy. Not sent to posh little retreats or worse, given sanctuary by some Vatican enclave.

 

[joeybaggz]

… as a Catholic turned agnostic, my opinion is that the Catholic Church is pretty messed up when it comes to its teachings in this arena. Not my circus, but I hate to see the

Messed up, hmmm, I don’t quite agree. What the Catholic Church does is a pretty poor job of explaining why it teaches what it does. It has so complicated the issues, that it is no wonder people find the position of the church difficult at the least, and intolerable at the most. And with the current crop of “lets go back to the 50’s” crowd, unfortunately it isn’t going to get much better I’m afraid.
Shalom

 

[QContinuum]

I’ve made my judgement on what TEC is, and what it may become. From that point on, my main point in discussing it, when I can’t avoid that, is to show that generalizations about Anglicanism are, generally, inaccurate. In a number of dimensions

I don’t disagree that there are extremes. But that is just a reflection of society at large. Our institutions are divided, fundamentally.

I just happen to think that the CC is actually very, very like the Anglican communion. So no respite there.

Might as well face the music from the Anglican/ Episcopal side (we have better hymns anyway).

 

[GKMotley]

Agreed as to the magnitude of the sin. But it was not a formal, doctrinal deviation (though it involved deviants, to be sure) from orthodox Christianity. It was a crime.

 

[GKMotley]

On that last we can agree. And we can, if given a chance, do rather fine liturgy. Especially when it is done my way.

 

[QContinuum]

a formal, doctrinal deviation (though it involved deviants, to be sure) from orthodox Christianity. It was a crime.

The authority which enabled the crimes and defied those would speak up to keep silent - was formally defined, however. And defended.

It must be noted that the power differential between predator and victim was not incidental in these cases either; rather, it was fundamental to the crime.

Next, all authority derives from God, supposedly. God will not be mocked, we are also warned.

So, either their concept of authority was ill-defined or it was unwarranted to start with. Properly defined authority should never lend itself to such soul-rotting depravity, on such a colossal scale.

But I’m an engineer. So I think like one. When I have one node that fails, I look at its individual configuration. When I have 50 nodes fail in the same group, I look at the management node, or the main transport router through which all nodes connect.

Point being, there’s a single point of failure, but it’s in the system, itself. It’s either component failure or a flaw in the programming, itself.

 

[GKMotley]

I agree, in main.

Component failure. With complicit coverup. A crime and a sin.

 

[ATraveller]

Many posters on CAF are indeed obsessed with all things related to sex.

That’s because most CAF posters live in the West, which is saturated with sexual messages and imagery that are in direct conflict with Christian teachings. To say CAF posters are obsessed is like saying Person A brought up a topic and then blaming Person B, C and etc. for talking about it 5 minutes into the conversation.
Plus, we suspect there are trolls who purposely start M and P threads.