Episcopalian Communion

[GKC]

Okay, so these issues are worked through with due diligence on an individual basis.

How about the new Pope, assuming the context now is somewhat toward the liberal, is he likely to have a commission take another look at the issue? Or is the issue so written in stone that it will not change? If you read back at the time of schism, and you folks have studied that history, what little I have read of it, the tipping point did not have to tip: it was contingent and could have not gone the way it did. The conflict was more political than theological. Is that a reasonable statement?

If you are asking me, then, based on my roughly 10 year hobby of the sad story of Apostolicae Curae,:

The issues ( I assume you mean of the lines of converting Anglican clergy) are not systematically examined individually, to determine if OC lines are a factor, for sub conditione ordination. The cases of Fr. Graham and Fr. Hughes (I did find his autobio, and OC lines were a factor, as I thought. His case was complicated) stand alone. They were not part of the circumstances following Anglicanorum Coetibus. So far the Anglican clerical converts have been ordained absolutely, including the 5-6 bishops who have joined the ordinariate. This is the policy, without (AFAIK) any consideration of validity of orders.

You are correct that there was a possibility that AC could have gone the other way, but not a very good one, considering. And it was, as you say, a complicated matter, involving political, historical, personal, and theological matters.I especially recommend Fr. Hughes’ two books on the subject, ABSOLUTELY NULL AND UTTERLY VOID, which concentrates on the history of the thing, and STEWARDS OF THE LORD, which treats of a possible case for Anglican validity. They are, by far, the best studies of the subject I have found.

There is virtually no chance for a revisiting of the subject, by Rome. Beyond the words of finality in AC itself, the current state of Anglicanism, generally, suggests no reason why anyone would want to do so. The time for that would have been under Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Michael Ramsey, 50 years ago. Or, even better, at the Malines conversations, almost 100 years ago.

GKC

*Anglicanus-Catholicus *

 

[aidanbradypop]

Hello everyone. Although i believe in everything the Catholic Church teaches and plan to start regularly attending a Catholic parish I currently attend an episcopal church and I recieve communion every Sunday even though I don’t believe that episcopal communion is valid.

My question is whether or not I should continue to recieve communion even though I consider myself practically a Catholic. Is it a sin even though I haven’t yet converted?

Thank you

Ask yourself what is going on at communion. For a second, disregard the RP and look at as a sharing of a community. Do you agree with that certain community? Do you believe their Eucharist is the correct one?

I have many Anglican family members. Some are in communion with Rome will others are not. When I visit the ones that are not, I respect their Eucharist and their faith and do not partake. I am in communion with the Catholic Church and therefore partake in the Holy Eucharist of my community.

Hope this helps a bit.

 

[cheezey]

And spiritual communion in Mass in front of the true Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus is FAAAAAAR more beneficial than partaking of a symbol in another denomination.

true. and meanwhile, there is the spiritual symbolic reminder.

 

[cheezey]

I have close family members and in-laws who are on each side of this or similar debates. I like the tension between conservative and liberal, as both have their good points, that is, until it degenerates into a disrespect for human politeness and slippery slopes into harmful deeds against persons and disregard for life; and thence drops into terror and war in the name of a religious doctrine.

**I have always, that I can remember, received a – something apart from the ordinary – when partaking Eucharist. Only in recent years have I tried to figure out what it all meant – still learning, as with this forum. **

I have no dog in a fight to change the Roman Catholic doctrine, nor do I desire to take communion at an Episcopal Church; although, I know of five separate sets of persons who have done so for various reasons and who subsequently felt conflicted and simultaneously wondered why they had to be put into a position to feel that way about themselves. Also a Catholic deacon who did not so participate but admitted that in his position as a board member of a non-Catholic seminary, that **the requirement was at minimum silly and at most a burden, given the relative heaviness of the Church’s position vs. the lightness of the circumstance. **

Which leads me again, to think of Jesus qua divine, with a very human sense of humor, and how He himself would act in such a situation.

**I tend to think of all Christians – well the ones whom I know – as being still Catholic in a universal sense. I definitely believe protestants, in particular Episcopalians, are unnecessarily biased against the Catholic church teaching out of ignorance. I know of three couples where one spouse was not Catholic but over time became Catholic once the bias had been worn off with familiarity.

I am for Ecuminism, and gather pleasure from our parish’s annual common service with the Christian churches that are proximate and are willing to participate. The bishops and priests of those churches have a fine dinner together before the service and mix and mingle among a lively crowd of parishioners and guests who greet them with hugs and smiles and laughter and much storytelling with a glass of wine held up as if a candle in the dark was called for**.

Me, too

 

[bitznbitez]

So is it a sin to take communion that I don’t believe in? I’m not sure why but I feel like its wrong to take communion that’s not actually the real thing

If you think the Catcholics are right why are you still going to the Episcopal service ? Would you not be better off worshipping with the Catholics ?

In my case it took a while in this lurch as my wife was Lutheran and was not ready to swim the tiber with the kids. So in my case I was going on Saturday evening to the Catholic parish and Sunday am with my wife and kids to the Lutheran parish, with the knowledge of my catholic priest. Now we are all Catholic.

 

[Dstep]

If you think the Catcholics are right why are you still going to the Episcopal service ? Would you not be better off worshipping with the Catholics ?

In my case it took a while in this lurch as my wife was Lutheran and was not ready to swim the tiber with the kids. So in my case I was going on Saturday evening to the Catholic parish and Sunday am with my wife and kids to the Lutheran parish, with the knowledge of my catholic priest. Now we are all Catholic.

I do plan to start going to a Catholic Church in a few weeks but I sometimes go on Saturday evenings. The reason why I’ve taken so long to switch is because I grew really attached to my church and the people there and it was hard to tell them that I’m leaving. But I have told them because I need to do what is right.