Episcopalian "Mass"

[Spirithound]

But that also brings up an interesting question. Would the “for all” consecration still be valid (though illicit) after Nov. now that the Church has implied that it does deviate substantially from the “pro vobis et pro multis” ?

The Church has implied no such thing. The new translation was done in accordance with a new position on translation technique.

The Words of Consecration are “This is my Body.” “This is my Blood.” Everything else is extra, in the strictest sense of that word.

Why do you think that a particular prayer gains its consecratory nature by decree of the Church?

 

[Aramis]

The Church has implied no such thing. The new translation was done in accordance with a new position on translation technique.

The Words of Consecration are “This is my Body.” “This is my Blood.” Everything else is extra, in the strictest sense of that word.

Why do you think that a particular prayer gains its consecratory nature by decree of the Church?

The other required phrase is “send down your spirit upon these gifts”…

Given that the Anaphora of Addai and Mari lacks the explicit “This is my Body” and “This is my blood,” and is yet valid, the wording of the Anglican Missal is much more explicitly transformational and clear in intent, and has both the invocation over the gifts, and the words of institution…

Addai & Mari in English:
liturgia.it/addaicongress/en/document/anaphora_txt.pdf
stbarnabastheapostle.net/lit1.html

The Anglicans lost a sacramental priesthood; the average anglican “priest” is a layman with a public office, not a cleric proper. And a layman can not confect the Eucharist. Fr. Cutie is still a Catholic priest, despite his schism. He still can confect a valid eucharist. But his new “bishop” can’t, any more than you or I could do so using the rite of Trent.