Episcopalian today?

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The problem is that churches are supposed to call people to conversion, and the TEC is not doing that. The mentality of “come as you are, stay as you are” means that you can disbelieve any doctrine of faith, and practice any kind of immoral action, and not need to repent or discontinue that immoral activity. This makes in people the condition of being the very opposite of “docile” (which means teachable, does not mean passive). Christianity without conversion is not Christianity at all.
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I doubt that most churches hope that their members will “stay as they are”. Mine certainly doesn’t. Otherwise, what reason would there be for anyone to come to church every Sunday and listen to the Scripture being preached or attend Bible study, etc? There is a hope that our lives will be transformed and come closer to what God would want for us. But this takes some effort on the part of each member and some are going to put more effort into this and be transformed more than others.
 
Sy_Noe said:
It’s just none of us truly know what it is for sure without some faith. You believe you know because you have faith in the CC. But there are different faiths and we walk by faith not by sight. That’s just a fact of life on this earth.
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LutheranScholar said:
You sure do give Luther *a lot of credit for a movement that involved millions. Luther wasn’t even the first Reformer. I believe that honor goes to Peter Waldo ( or maybe Jan Hus). Luther simply gave a coherent form to a movement of the Spirit that had been going on for centuries before. The Book of Concord names plenty of Catholic Church abuses that were corrected in Evangelical circles and named certain things, such as enforced priestly celibacy and the cult of the saints as recent innovations. Mingling the Law and the Gospel, simony, using the profit garnered from indulgences to build the Basilica of St. Peter, mingling politics and faith ( two realms that should be forever separate) and utilizing the state to sanction executions because of religious differences is hardly indicative of a Church bent on doing the Will of God. Shall I mention the Borgias and the Medicis, who were more bent on pursuing personal and familial ambitions than doing the Will of God? Martin Luther might have said execrable things against the Jews and he did encourage their expulsion and/ or slaughter, but no more than the Catholic Church did at the time. I’ve mentioned earlier that one Catholic diocese can seem entirely different from another in terms of liberalism. Saying that they have the CCC in common is no more or less valid than the Episcopalians who all agree officially to the usage and doctrine of the Book of Common Prayer. Putting the Bible into the language of the people, making Scripture the measuring rod with which to apply tradition and attributing faith to God, where it belongs, rather than spouting crypto- semi Pelagianism, can only be of God. The other Reformers did what they did and the invisible Church still agrees to the basics: the Truth of the Ecumenical Councils before Trent, the Holy Trinity, the Resurrection of the Dead and the redemption won for us by Jesus Christ. If the only thing you can harp on Protestants is our separation in theology and organization, then you’ve got a pretty thin argument. We agree on the centrality of the Bible, it’s importance in our various theologies and the necessity of praying to God the Father through Jesus alone. Although the differences in what we believe happens in the Sacraments are significant and serious enough to keep us in our respective church bodies, we acknowledge each other to be part of the same Christian neighborhood. We acknowledge the Orthodox and Catholics as part of the Church Christ founded, but we don’t have the hubris to say we’re the only Church that Christ founded. There are Protestants who actually glory *in the variety of our churches and the many ways we present Jesus Christ and the love of God to the world. 👍
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Of course it doesn’t matter who the first revolted was. Say it for what it is a revolt. There are certainly may ways to present JESUS but only one right way. Truth is not contradiction.
 
Of course all this confusion among so called “churches” could easily be solved.
 
Thorolfr said:
If I wasn’t Lutheran, my next choice would be Anglican 😃
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Right cause if following a heretic that main lines personal interpretation wasn’t bad enough you could go to a church founded on a divorce and national hijacking of the faith. That would be much better. Why people always want to pretend to be catholic when they can be the real thing.
 
eightydeuce82 said:
Right cause if following a heretic that main lines personal interpretation wasn’t bad enough you could go to a church founded on a divorce and national hijacking of the faith. That would be much better. Why people always want to pretend to be catholic when they can be the real thing.
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Decree of nullity.

GKC
 
eightydeuce82 said:
So if two people love one another they are perfectly ok with not following the bible or the commands therein? Simply because they believe in god? Interesting concept.
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What they are ok with is following the word of Jesus and letting God be the judge.

Christ and the adulteress by Boulogne

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