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PerryJ
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If you believe in the real presence, which is the core of Catholicism, why not be Catholic? What is the major reason why you are not Catholic?
If I missed this on the other posts I am sorry.
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If I missed this on the other posts I am sorry.
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anon52328184
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i said that most red doors in churches are in the episcopal churches.
it is said that also the red doors meant that it was a place of sanctuary or safety where soldiers could not enter.
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chris_molter
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My old Episcopal Church had two large sets of heavy red wooden double doors for years before they renovated the building. Now they have a nice narthex with glass doors.
There’s a symbolism there somewhere
There’s a symbolism there somewhere
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emeraldcoast
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Oh Perry…
I honestly would rather tell you why I stay in the Episcopal Church. The Episcopal Church has truly been a blessing to my family. The guidance that my husband and I have been given from our priest has inspired us to have a fantastic loving marriage. As a military family,we have been separated a lot. I mean a lot! Everyone always thinks about the time apart as being so difficult and it is but the time after the “honeymoon” period of Homecoming is when things can become challenging for many. Our priest have been there for us to lift us up when we were pretty down. Their gentle guidance (and sometimes swift kick for me to get my act together, for lack of better words) has made my marriage better than I ever could of imagined when I met my husband 22 years ago. My Episcopal priest continue to do an awesome job, through the Lord Jesus Christ of making me a better wife, mom, sister, neighbor and better follower of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 5:10 says, "Figure out what will please Christ, and then do it. " I really try to keep this in my mind daily and it is a strong theme that I have found in my Church.
God Bless!
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GKC
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Closest Lutheran chuch to me is half a block away. Nice red doors. 1 block from there, closest Episcopal church. Nice wooden stained doors, dark brown. About 6 blocks from there, next Lutheran church. Nice red doors. Next nearest Episcopal church (IIRC) is the local cathedral. Which is also dark stained wood, unless they changed since I last drove by it.My old Episcopal Church had two large sets of heavy red wooden double doors for years before they renovated the building. Now they have a nice narthex with glass doors.
There’s a symbolism there somewhere
I think I know of a red-doored Episcopal church nearby, but I’m not sure. At any rate, it’s a Lutheran feature around here.
Renovated, wreckovated. Happens to buildings and to Churches.
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Peter_J
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Interesting question. I quoted it on the Theologoumenon thread. (I don’t guarantee that will lead to more answers, but it may.)
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GKC
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As the question is worded, it certainly agrees with my contention that I’m Catholic.
Good.
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anon52328184
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anon52328184
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does anyone else have a problem of wanting to include a quote and then you type your reply and it ends up inside the quote?
anyhow, i was responding to emerald coast. your response is a good testimony to the episcopal church and to your faith!
anyhow, i was responding to emerald coast. your response is a good testimony to the episcopal church and to your faith!
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emeraldcoast
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Thanks Debbie!
I missed your comment in the previous post. I always think that people forget to reply when it shows up like that…lol Needless to say, I skip over the post and have probably missed some really good stuff!
God Bless!
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anon52328184
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i know, jane, that is why i wrote a new post. i don’t know why that happens.
anyhow, i thought your reply was very honest and from the heart!
anyhow, i thought your reply was very honest and from the heart!
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gurneyhalleck1
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Many good points but I hesitate to accuse Luther of “corruption.” I tend to give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he was truly distressed by the corruption, decadence, and grandiose innovations that the Roman Church had embraced in the Middle Ages. Luther felt he was never good enough and was a rampant and dedicated penitent who went to daily confession. He truly embraced Romans and Galatians at a deep level and felt that we are justified by faith alone. Indulgences sickened him, a disregard (as he saw it) for scriptural scholarship, hypocrisy within the ranks of cardinals and popes morally (mistresses and even in some cases—orgies!), and an over-emphasis on works and earning salvation made him feel the need to speak up. When it came to the Peasant’s Rebellion, Luther hated the fact that Thomas Muntzer and other protestants used the reformation for bloodshed and blatant disregard for human life. Luther did not instigate the peasant revolt, he was against it. He believed in “render unto Cesar what is Cesar’s” and did not like some reformers using his ideas as catalysts for rebellions. In fact, Nicholas Storch and Thomas Müntzer were famous for saying — “let not your sword grow cold from blood”
Luther, to my knowlege, was not an executor. He made many violent comments, even about the pope, but I’ve never read of his participation in mass executions. Perhaps I’m unlearned in this area…
I think it’s just a little presumptive to call him corrupt. Luther took great personal risk with his theology and bold reforms. When he was excommunited by the pope, he lost all human rights as a European. Excommunicated people in the medievel times were not afforded any rights or dignity. He could have been killed, tortured, or mistreated by anyone anytime after his excommunication. I think he risked a lot for his principals whether you agree with him or not.
Calvin I tend to agree more with when it comes to strict, calculating, excessive power-mongering.
But I think the Catholic Church was far more bureaucratically corrupt, decadent, crooked, and out of touch than Luther at that time. If the Catholic Church were this pillar of morality and virtue, a reformation would’ve been a tough pill to swallow even for german princes and nobles. Just IMO of course…
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Janet_S
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Fr Pacwa said that Luther “never felt good enough” because he killed a man in a duel, and couldn’t get over his guilty feelings.
Fr Groeschel gave a lecture about the Reformation several years ago. He brought these points:
–Calvin and Luther had sincere motives. They were wrong, but sincere.
–Before Luther, there were reformers working within the Church. One of them was St Catherine of Genoa, aka Madame Adorno in the Protestant world, and Luther was influenced by her.
–People forget the plague. Poorly trained clergy, in part, can be traced to the effects of plague which in some cases wiped out whole religious communities. It was the duty of the religious priests, monks, and nuns to take care of the sick, so it’s not surprising that they died in high numbers. The most holy people, concerned with Christian charity, were the most likely to die.
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GKC
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No! You think?
Sure. What I meant was that it seems to make the essence, the *sine qua non *of Ronan Catholicism the doctrine of the Real Presence. Inaccurate.
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Peter_J
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Great post, gurneyhalleck1. But with regard to
I agree about giving him the benefit of the doubt, but since I see “corruption” as a relative term, to say that Luther wasn’t corrupt at all seems to me an over-simplification. I prefer your other statement (emphasis added):
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anon52328184
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does anyone feel that the Roman Catholic church could have been reformed from within or was it too corrupt? the one poster mentioned the plague and how many of the clergy died. certainly that impacted the church because they would have had to replace clergy quickly and many might not have been well trained leading up to the corruption in the 1500’s. however, the church of england was not founded because the roman catholic church was corrupt.
henry might have had a few grievances with Rome, but i think that if Rome would have granted henry the annulment he wanted, most likely england would have remained Catholic. At least for awhile. since Henry did side with the Pope against Luther in the beginning.
henry might have had a few grievances with Rome, but i think that if Rome would have granted henry the annulment he wanted, most likely england would have remained Catholic. At least for awhile. since Henry did side with the Pope against Luther in the beginning.
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