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AnglicanForMary
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Ahhh…but only when penned by someone as witty as Launelot Andrews, John Donne, George Herbert, or Jonathon Swift
Episcopalians/Anglicans, Why Do You Think Your Religion is Correct?
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GaryTaylor
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No doubt,
Hasn’t been an issue for Anglican orders coming into communion with Rome. I recently watched a documentary on this. Really the only concern for the Anglicans was loss of their property rites, however this turned out to be non-issue.
Yes, I hear you. It becomes complicated.
Well, aside to secular its a difficult battle everywhere today which requires unity from all Christianity. Unfortunate. “Marriage” in its correct understanding really being the issue, since that is historically the Bible Tradition thus religion.
Course the argument becomes, well if we are entitled to all the same civil liberties as a man and woman who are married what is the difference? Obvious to me the definition of seperation of church of state needs to be revisited in the courts first off. Then those outside of the church are either subjected or not to that religious paradigm.
Thus allowing marriage within any of the Christian Church paradigm’s compounds the issue IMHO.
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lindaharry
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Anniejoe
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Gary Taylor,
Historically, marriage has been a cultural/social/legal matter, not at all exclusively a religious matter. The state has always had an interest in issues like the orderly transfer of property, child rearing, stable communities, and so forth. Irrespective of religious or cultural differences, marriage has been defined as between male and female for thousands of years. Variations can be found regarding how many people can be in a marriage, historically. But the basic unit of community life has always been a male and a female united for the purpose of providing a home for minor children and other dependents. Pagan cultures recognized this arrangement as beneficial to society long before Christianity.
Historically, marriage has been a cultural/social/legal matter, not at all exclusively a religious matter. The state has always had an interest in issues like the orderly transfer of property, child rearing, stable communities, and so forth. Irrespective of religious or cultural differences, marriage has been defined as between male and female for thousands of years. Variations can be found regarding how many people can be in a marriage, historically. But the basic unit of community life has always been a male and a female united for the purpose of providing a home for minor children and other dependents. Pagan cultures recognized this arrangement as beneficial to society long before Christianity.
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Izdaari
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As a new Anglican (not yet formally, but in intent), in the process of changing from Assemblies of God to Episcopalian, I find this all very interesting. 
masuwerte’s post in particular resonates with me:
masuwerte’s post in particular resonates with me:
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Anna_Scott
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jinc1019,
As a conservative Anglo Catholic in the Episcopal Church (Anglican Communion); I believe we are part of the Mystical Body of Christ, no more or less so than Catholics in Communion with Rome, or the Eastern Orthodox.
We participate in the Divine Liturgy. Our Priests have valid orders through Apostolic Succession. The fact that Catholics declare our orders to be invalid/illicit does not make them invalid or illicit.
We have the same 7 Sacraments as Catholicism. We believe in the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist and bells rings upon Consecration. We believe in the Communion of the Saints, Mary’s perpetual Virginity, Mary’s Assumption, and Mary’s intercession for us. Tradition serves an important role in interpretation of Scripture; and we have the same Biblical Canon as the Catholic Church.
Anglo Catholics tend to disregard many of the “reformed” elements of the 39 Articles. We do reserve the Sacrament, which is kept in a Tabernacle or Umbry, and a Sanctuary Lamp, which burns continuously, hangs above it. We genuflect or bow in the aisle before the Blessed Sacrament.
Our Parish has many outreach programs to serve our community and beyond. We believe that all Christians are called to serve God and our fellow man.
Conservative Anglicans do not believe in same sex unions, or ordination of those of same sex affection who do not take a vow of celibacy.
I love my Parish. The Gospel of Christ is truthfully and faithfully proclaimed.
Peace,
Anna
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AnglicanForMary
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And don’t forget the same Seven Oecumenical Councils as the Undivided Church!
I thought Newman+ (before his conversion of course) did a great job of tackling that in Tract 90 myself!
Oh, and proper Anglo-Catholics of course must keep the memory of the Royal Martyr’s Decollation on Jan 30 of each year
One of my favorite services in fact is Solemn Evensong with Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. (well, that and the Feast of Our Lady of Walisngham, but I may be a bit biased)
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Anna_Scott
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AnglicanForMary,
Yes. Thanks for those additions.
Glad to see your here. Seems like more Anglicans are joining the forums.
Peace,
Anna
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Contarini
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You’re setting up a straw man. We don’t think we have the authority to break away from the Catholic Church. We think we have the authority to gather around the Lord’s Table as Christians, in union with all other Christians.
The refusal to intercommune is on your side, not ours. So the question is poorly phrased. Rather, you should start the conversation by stating which of our beliefs and practices are so wicked and erroneous that they justify your refusal to share the Body and Blood of the Lord with us.
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Contarini
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You really find those arguments convincing? I tend to agree with the later Newman that they are pretty desperate, playing word games that disregard any kind of reasonable historical interpretation. The argument only really works if you regard the Articles (in the English context) as verbal formulas that one must find some way of adhering to. If you take them as normative for Anglicanism in their context and intent, they clearly rule out Anglo-Catholicism.
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Richard_Rider
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That’s a pretty hostile response. I suspect that you know exactly why this situation exists.
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GKC
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And since they are not normative, save in the limited sense that we have discussed, there you are.
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Contarini
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No, it describes the situation.
We are willing to share communion with you.
You are not willing to share communion with us.
How is stating this “hostile”? The hostility lies surely in the refusal of communion, not in naming the existence of that refusal.
I know a good deal about it, and I know that it is extremely complicated. I invite the OP and other Catholics who think Anglicans somehow need to explain and defend their existence to lay out just why the refusal of communion exists in the first place, so we know what we are defending ourselves against. Generally when Catholics on this forum start to say what they think the reasons are, it becomes clear that they have some serious misunderstandings of Anglicanism and of the historical reasons for the schism.
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jinc1019
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I am the OP…and to a large extent, I believe the Anglican Church, and the Episcopal Church by extension, have a valid communion so long as valid apostolic succession is in play, which it now is for MANY Anglican/Episcopal priests.
However, I also believe that the Episcopal Church has essentially turned its back on a central Christian teaching by supporting abortion…and that should be changed. That position does not, however, really affect the validity of the Holy Communion in your church.
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CMatt25
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I am not Episcopalian but these words of Anna’s brought a
to my face. And I as well also just today had the pleasure of experiencing a wonderful Episcopal church’s outreach program. I understand the “teach a man to fish” philosophy. But in these times when there are not enough “fish” to be had, it was just personally important to me to find somewhere that would simply give my donated items to any souls in need without any charge. I did check with a few other churches as well as non religious places, and they either collected items to sell at discounted or nominal prices in their own thrift shops or they in turn donated items received to nationally known thrift stores.But a few wks ago I discovered an Episcopal church’s outreach and the priest told me their church sets out food and clothing on scheduled days for those in need to come in for at no charge whatsoever and that she keeps some items in her office because the homeless know they can come by anytime she is in her office for help. They also provide meals throughout the wk.
So finally today I was able to pay a visit and was amazed at the volunteers and the work they appeared to do be doing. Honestly I left with tears in my eyes. It touched me so much. Here was this small church, not a thing fancy about it, but with a Christian community seemingly more focused to spend their time and I’m certain their limited resources on serving their fellow human beings than on much of anything else. So in this particular case I liked what I saw. Peace.
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rjarmendariz
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The World Wide Anglican Communion is very much part of Christianity. I personally have visited Anglican Churches and they are beautiful in worship and tradition, Anglicanly speaking.
However, we must know and believe that Christ Jesus left the Keys to the Kingdom to Peter Simon, our first Pope of our Roman Catholic Church. Christ didn’t leave the monarchs of England the Keys! Queen Elizabeth II, the head of the Anglican Church hasn’t inherited the Keys! Henry the 8th was Catholic himself and he just wanted another annulment for his marriage. The Pope at that time didn’t give in after having done so many a time. Instead, Henry rebelled with the forces that were around him and established his own church. That is why we now have Episcopalians / Anglicans.
The Anglicans have their beautiful hymns, parishes, intellectual Sunday homilies, the Book of Common Prayers, but where are the Keys to the Kingdom that Our Popes have inherited from Peter the Apostle???
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However, we must know and believe that Christ Jesus left the Keys to the Kingdom to Peter Simon, our first Pope of our Roman Catholic Church. Christ didn’t leave the monarchs of England the Keys! Queen Elizabeth II, the head of the Anglican Church hasn’t inherited the Keys! Henry the 8th was Catholic himself and he just wanted another annulment for his marriage. The Pope at that time didn’t give in after having done so many a time. Instead, Henry rebelled with the forces that were around him and established his own church. That is why we now have Episcopalians / Anglicans.
The Anglicans have their beautiful hymns, parishes, intellectual Sunday homilies, the Book of Common Prayers, but where are the Keys to the Kingdom that Our Popes have inherited from Peter the Apostle???
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7_Sorrows
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first, edwin, i would like to compliment you for your response. as a former episcopalian/anglican i can understand where you are coming from.
to the OP, i was baptized in the episcopal church at the age of 2 in 1954. i loved the episcopal church as a child and my faith meant so much to me. i am an anglo and so i really absorbed the whole atmosphere of the episcopal church with ease. of course, as a child, i did not know anything about the history of the episcopal church, but when we said the creeds and the word “catholic” was said, i wondered why we weren’t Catholic.
i have been a Catholic for 3 1/2 years now. there is nothing really anglo saxon about the roman catholic church and it has been a little difficult to get accustomed to. when i was an episcopalian/anglican, i believed that i was practicing the Catholic faith - but in the Episcopal church. i was also taught that our priests had valid orders. i left the church at 18 and was not a practicing christian for many years. in the back of my mind, i always questioned what the differences were between the episcopal church and the catholic church and so i began to study and read. about this time is when the priest sex abuse scandal broke out, but it was also the time that in the episcopal church they were allowing female priests, female bishops and homosexuality was being accepted. i began to see that in the Catholic church there was Truth in the teachings. my disappointment in the episcopal church was the growing attitude that they could interpret the Gospel as they saw fit. even though we said the Nicene and Apostle’s Creed, it was understood that you could more or less pick and choose what you wanted to believe. there were conservative parishes though, that did believe in what the creeds professed. if you lived in a small town and there was only one episcopal church, you had better hope that it was a conservative church and not a liberal one. in the larger cities, you found more of the episcopal churches that had fallen away from teaching the Truths of the Gospel. episcopalians or anglicans were very nice people i found. very welcoming and very giving. hope this makes sense.
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Anna_Scott
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God bless you CMatt for such a kind response. I’m glad to hear you had such a good experience with an Episcopal Church.I am not Episcopalian but these words of Anna’s brought a
But a few wks ago I discovered an Episcopal church’s outreach and the priest told me their church sets out food and clothing on scheduled days for those in need to come in for at no charge whatsoever and that she keeps some items in her office because the homeless know they can come by anytime she is in her office for help. They also provide meals throughout the wk.
So finally today I was able to pay a visit and was amazed at the volunteers and the work they appeared to do be doing. Honestly I left with tears in my eyes. It touched me so much. Here was this small church, not a thing fancy about it, but with a Christian community seemingly more focused to spend their time and I’m certain their limited resources on serving their fellow human beings than on much of anything else. So in this particular case I liked what I saw. Peace.
When I first came to the Episcopal Church in 2010, I came from a Southern Baptist Church of about 12,000 members. In the Episcopal Church, we have about 400-500 in attendance each Sunday. As I learned more about the Episcopal Church, I was shocked by the generous outreach programs. In many ways, they were doing more than the mega Church I left.
I think with all the publicity about the liberal factions within TEC, people forget that Episcopalians are living out their faith everyday in their communities and beyond–sharing the love of Christ in service. It is a beautiful part of the Episcopal tradition.
Peace,
Anna
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7_Sorrows
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i definitely agree that episcopalians are living out their faith everyday and they are very involved in their communities and beyond serving others.
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GaryTaylor
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Perhaps you can start a similiar program in your church. There’ s never a lack of volunteers or people donating and giving, there’s just a lack motivation to make it happen. The need has always been there, the only thing missing is the desire.
Peace
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