Episcopalians keep a-slidin'

[anon10271182]

Best to cue Twilight Zone music if you read this announcement. $9 million to try to be even more secularized. Perhaps they can sell off some of their near-vacant buildings?
Of course such developments might help motivate those few remaining traditionalists who hold out hope that a miraculous reversal will occur, to come home to Rome–and the OCSP!

Committee hears call for inclusive-language Book of Common Prayer – Episcopal News Service

 

[commenter]

Not only will they spend a lot of money doing it but they will have to do that again in a very few years. If you subordinate to the secular culture, it keeps changing and “developing”. In a few years there may be demands to remove the pro human language bias (as opposed to animals). Or they may demand removal of the marriage ceremony, as a vestige of inequality and domestic violence. they may as well be re writing this in pencil.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

The shame is that, gender-inclusive language is not without merit. The causal use of “he” when one is referring to either a male or female can leave women feeling less-than. Especially when to call a man “she” is something of a put down.

Unfortunately, the pronoun issue got co-opted by the LGBT in ways that go beyond mere inclusiveness.

 

[ZMystiCat]

I was going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was only with regards to humanity, but barely any time into the article, and it looks like they’re doing it for God Himself. I guess using preferred pronouns is all well and good until we start talking about God. Then we should just ignore Him.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Two clergy who identified themselves as transgender men, the Rev. Ian Stanford of the Diocese of Oregon and the Rev. Cameron Partridge of the Diocese of California, described how gendered language in the prayer book is an impediment to people with whom they minster.

???

They must not be very good at explaining it. Every person I’ve explained gendered language to has understood it and even come to understand why it is still there. It’s not that difficult a subject.

 

[JonNC]

The shame is that, gender-inclusive language is not without merit. The causal use of “he” when one is referring to either a male or female can leave women feeling less-than. Especially when to call a man “she” is something of a put down.

Unfortunately, the pronoun issue got co-opted by the LGBT in ways that go beyond mere inclusiveness.

I’ll ask the women in my parish if they feel less-than. We use the 1928 BCP.

 

[EricF]

We, as The Church and as individuals, should probably stick to confessing our own sins rather than pointing out and mocking others. Stop it.

 

[anon10271182]

The Ordinariate uses the 1928, as do Continuing Anglicans. None seem to have a problem with the language.

 

[anon10271182]

Instead of “He,” I wonder if Jesus will be referred to as the non-binary “they?” Sad to say, nothing will surprise me. I do pray that those still there who have remained loyal for whatever reason even though they don’t believe in SSM, lesbian priestesses, etc., will join the Ordinariate.

 

[dochawk]

The causal use of “he” when one is referring to either a male or female can leave women feeling less-than.

It was my mother that taught me to be offended by 's/he" and the like, and that the “inclusive” was actually condescending.

hawk

 

[anon10271182]

Then there’s the grammatically absurd use of “they” to refer to someone in the third person singular.

 

[Augustinian]

I do pray that those still there who have remained loyal for whatever reason even though they don’t believe in SSM, lesbian priestesses, etc., will join the Ordinariate.

I think most of the Episcopalian churches who disagree with SSM and lesbianism have aligned with the Anglican Church which is a pretty significant group.

 

[ZMystiCat]

Relavent xkcd

 

[anon10271182]

I’m guessing you mean the ACNA? They are the largest group and among the most recent to emerge from the wreckage. They leave ordination of priestesses up to the individual diocese, and are opposed to SSM and to active homosexuals in ministry. Like the Continuing Anglicans (who don’t ordain women to the priesthood and also oppose SSM, etc.), the ACNA have a broad range of churchmanship. In my experience the ACNA tend more toward broad and low church, and toward Evangelical and Reformed theologies, whereas some Continuing Anglican jurisdictions are very “high church,” and near-Catholic in theology.

 

[GKMotley]

The Ordinariate uses the Book of Divine Worship, which is, mainly, Rite I from the 79 book, with a few modifications.

My Continuing parish uses the 28; no complaints.

 

[GKMotley]

Some of us, as traditional Anglicans, will make insider observations.

 

[GKMotley]

Yep. The Continuum is heavily high/Anglo-Catholic.

 

[Alex337]

Then there’s the grammatically absurd use of “they” to refer to someone in the third person singular.

Hold on, I have a pizza at the door, they just rang the bell.

How absurd and not at all something most people use in every day life.

 

[Vonsalza]

anon10271182:

Then there’s the grammatically absurd use of “they” to refer to someone in the third person singular.

Hold on, I have a pizza at the door, they just rang the bell.

How absurd and not at all something most people use in every day life.

To be sure, was that sarcasm?

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

anon10271182:

Then there’s the grammatically absurd use of “they” to refer to someone in the third person singular.

Hold on, I have a pizza at the door, they just rang the bell.

How absurd and not at all something most people use in every day life.

To be sure, was that sarcasm?

Yeah, I should maybe have used /sarcasm.