Episcopalians keep a-slidin'

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I was referring to individuals whose gender is known. And there are only two genders, I don’t care what the ever changing cultural lunacy is.
 
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I was referring to individuals whose gender is known. And there are only two genders, I don’t care what the ever changing cultural lunacy is.
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It’s true that singular “they” is particularly useful when referring to individuals whose gender is not known — and I suppose that would apply nicely to God. But that is not the only way it is used.
 
It’s now being forced on everyone, in some quarters and by some militants, to use “they” in total replacement of “he” and “she” and that, in my opinion, is Cultural Marxism in action.
 
It interesting to me that no one seems to be up and arms about the liturgical responses that were changed a few years ago. It was called update to the translation of the latin translation, never mind that latin is a dead language that has not evolved like living languages.

No one is calling Jesus she. The us of he for God in many was reflects the preconception of power needing to emanate from a man. We created language and in many texts in the bible God has no name or one that cannot be spoken. How do you assign a pronoun to that? I’d even be willing to make a leap and say there might be a language or two that doesn’t have pronouns, what are we to do there? Either way prayers referring to the faithful should be mutli gender or not gendered. Even if you reject LBTQ arguments, consider the women of have sit through centuries of this.
 
Just curious, PJH–what are your thoughts on ordaining women to the priesthood?
 
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Good to hear. There are some, even in the Roman Catholic Church, who argue for Catholic prayer and Liturgy to be gender neutral. They don’t seem to have a lot of traction…yet…
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They had much more traction in the 80s and 90s than they do now. (See the failed 1998 Missal re-translation to know what I’m talking about). I think that the time of liturgical/gender wackiness has mostly past for us, thankfully.

Unfortunately, it appears that there’s no end in sight for the Episcopalians.
 
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It’s now being forced on everyone, in some quarters and by some militants, to use “they” in total replacement of “he” and “she” and that, in my opinion, is Cultural Marxism in action.
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I’m not at all sure it’s being forced on everyone. In fact no one has tried to force it on me. Nor have I any idea what possible connection there might be to Uncle Karl.

Hyperbole, brother.
 
It’s a sad situation. In most (nearly all?) churches that have embraced secularism and tried to be more relevant to modern culture, attendance has not only not increased, but declined faster.
 
“in some quarters and by some militants”
I take it you don’t work in the California public schools?
 
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The Book of Common Prayer is the last thing that needs revised!
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The Book of Common Prayer is always being revised! In the US, the last revision was 1979, before that 1928, before that 1892. That is just in the US.
 
Has anyone used the New Zealand Prayer Book? It was released in the late 1980’s and is one of the most beautiful liturgical works I have ever used. It is known for its poetic language and it is intentionally gender neutral.
 
This is the site used by many in the OCSP, until the OCSP’s own Book of Daily Prayer receives it’s Imprimateur and is published–an event which we await with bated breath. It contains the current “official Ordinariate Lectionary from the Ordo published by the Ordinariate’s Office of Worship.”


It is virtually identical to the 1928 text. I noted that the phrase “for there is no health in us” is missing from the Penitential Rite. I thought it might be because that phrase might ring Calvinistic to some, but it may be for some other reason entirely.
 
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There’s also a few changes to the OCSP Collects, like this:
“Prayer for the Pope, Clergy, and People.”

or this, from the Collect for the Departed–
“chiefly the glorious and ever-Virgin Mary”

Italics mine.
 
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On one level, as Jesus told the woman at the well, God is spirit and not a gendered being. However he has chosen to reveal himself to us through the use of male pronouns and roles, such as Father and Son and not as mother and daughter (although Christ did use female imagery, such as the woman searching for the coin and the mother bird holding her chicks under her wings). As he has revealed himself to us as He, we are not at liberty to call Him she or they, doing so is creating him in our image of trying to mould him into our culture.
 
Very true. People know that the culture of the godless world is ultimately void and empty and are looking for something different. Also, what is the point of a so-called gospel that makes no difference to anything
 
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