Episode of "The Vortex" concerning masculinity

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Maxirad said:
Does anybody here on CAF think the women’s movement was all bad? Yes, it’s extremely unfortunate that too many feminists consider abortion and artificial contraception morally acceptable. However, what about things such as Title IX?
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Not really. I suppose there was some good, but I do not see it.
 
Maxirad said:
Does anybody here on CAF think the women’s movement was all bad? Yes, it’s extremely unfortunate that too many feminists consider abortion and artificial contraception morally acceptable. However, what about things such as Title IX?
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It wasn’t all bad but it is high time to focus on some men’s issues too. Many feminists think women are the only one’s whose lives need improving. Unbridled feminism is selfish. When black people fought for civil rights they didn’t invent the term “blackism” or call themselves “blackists.” There is nothing uniquely female about equality. As far as Title IX goes you should read the book by Christina Hoft Sommers called “The War Against Boys.” Boys are falling behind girls very badly in school but the feminists still only care about girls and more resources are funneled to women’s issues with little being used to address the boy crisis. Whenever an organization is more interested in self-preservation at the cost of another it is time to restrain it. Also, read this site about how men are systematically oppressed by our society (libertarianprepper.com/misandry-is-there-a-war-on-men/). We so often buy into the stereotype that men are strong and can take care of themselves. This is sexist and feminists use it to self-preserve.

Also for the rest of you. I’ve seen some good articles about masculinity. As many may know, Pope JP II came up with what is called the “Feminine Genius” but he never materialize a “Masculine Genius.” One of the writes for Catholic Online is trying to come up with one for the reason of giving men something to root themselves in. Here are the articles:

catholic.org/hf/love/story.php?id=47676
catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=48985
catholic.org/hf/love/story.php?id=49277
 
Did he get married? I noticed he’s wearing a ring on his left ring finger. Just curious.
 
ATeutonicKnight said:
That’s not a horrible view of life.
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Yes, it is. How sad if you consider there to be day-to-day drudgery and toil in your life, and it would be even sadder if someone considered this a necessity given their sex.
You’re misunderstanding what he is saying. To be masculine is to sacrifice.
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I am not misunderstanding anything. Note that I did not disagree with the idea of sacrifice.

You did not respond to the things I posted, so I am surprised you bothered to comment at all. Where in Church teaching is it taught that “It is the duty of the masculine to protect and die, if necessary, to preserve life…protects and defends it?”
It’s the same for femininity, but in a different way. Men and women sacrifice in different ways.
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No, they do not, at least according to the Vortex video.

Voris presented sacrifice as explicitly characteristic of masculinity, q.v. 2:10 ff… Thus, the idea that women sacrifice in any commensurate way is incompatible with his argument, which presents sacrifice as an identifying masculine trait. If women also sacrificed in any way similar to what he is describing, then his entire point is undermined.

Also, what he is saying goes beyond what the Church teaches.
 
Baelor said:
Yes, it is. How sad if you consider there to be day-to-day drudgery and toil in your life, and it would be even sadder if someone considered this a necessity given their sex.

I am not misunderstanding anything. Note that I did not disagree with the idea of sacrifice.

You did not respond to the things I posted, so I am surprised you bothered to comment at all. Where in Church teaching is it taught that “It is the duty of the masculine to protect and die, if necessary, to preserve life…protects and defends it?”

No, they do not, at least according to the Vortex video.

Voris presented sacrifice as explicitly characteristic of masculinity, q.v. 2:10 ff… Thus, the idea that women sacrifice in any commensurate way is incompatible with his argument, which presents sacrifice as an identifying masculine trait. If women also sacrificed in any way similar to what he is describing, then his entire point is undermined.

Also, what he is saying goes beyond what the Church teaches.
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It’s not Church teaching that this is the role of man. This is biology. This is psychology. This is how things work. Notice how the Church hasn’t taken a stance on whether or not repressed memories exist. That has to do with psychology and it doesn’t concern the Church in any way. The role of masculinity has been talked about by many Saints in the past, and it wouldn’t make sense for the Church to dogmatically define what it is to be a man.

He said self-sacrifice in a way of putting your life on the line is a trait of masculinity, not sacrifice itself. He has said in other videos that women sacrifice as well.
 
He might be right, and so might Rush Limbaugh - but I can’t stand either for more than 90 seconds!
 
ATeutonicKnight said:
This is biology. This is psychology.
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You must be confusing what Michael Voris said…not what Michael Voris said. He used the word “duty.” Duty is not an issue of biology or psychology, but of morality. This is obvious.

It is equally obvious that not everyone of the same biological sex has the same physiology or psychology, so your point remains invalid even if it were relevant.
He said self-sacrifice in a way of putting your life on the line is a trait of masculinity, not sacrifice itself. He has said in other videos that women sacrifice as well.
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I know what he said; it is quoted in my post. The issue remains.
 
Baelor said:
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Where in Church teaching is it taught that “It is the duty of the masculine to protect and die, if necessary, to preserve life…protects and defends it?”

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Love and Responsibility
Theology of the Body
Ephesians 5
 
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