Epistemology.... again

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I hope I’m not beating a dead horse here with our Mormon friends, but this is a topic that I have revisited since having read an interesting and educated Sunstone article on this very topic. The article, written by a PhD student, applies the theory of social knowledge to religious knowledge. Social knowledge theory basically says that to claim to know something is a special claim because by saying ‘know’ we claim a certain level of respectability to our claim. The things we ‘know’ we know not because of some standard of object evidence, there is no such thing, but rather has everything to do with the groups we run around in. The problem is, the theory goes, that evidence is socially conditioned. For example, the author claims that there is evidence that can be construed for and against the authenticity of The Book of Mormon. Non Mormons do not find the evidence the least bit convincing and focus on the evidence against, Mormons find the evidence for overwhelming and think the evidence against scanty.

Let me preface my critique by stating I think this article hits some important points. It is true none of us are completely objective; only God is. We all have biases that effect how we perceive these cases. But there is a fatal flaw in accepting the social theory of knowledge hook, line and sinker as a means of neutralizing the apologetic debates and avoiding the mess: how does anyone ‘know’ that the social theory of knowledge is a good idea?? According to the social theory of knowledge the only reason the author in question accepts it is because he runs in circles that thinks it’s a good idea-- and there is NO way to evaluate it in any objective manner. Therefore we can dismiss it at the outset by its own standards! Oops.

I submit to you that there are matters of objective reality that we can access, even if in an ultimately limited manner, and therefore we ought to evaluate claims of ultimate importance by recognizing our biases at the outset and attempting, as best as we can, to work around them. For example, there is no circle of people on earth who thinks jumping off a cliff is a good idea. Is it safe to assume then that even if you try to get a group together of insane people who claim to know that they can fly off of cliffs that they can’t really know that? That is, we can evaluate their reasoning and declare it insufficient or twisted at some point- in fact it must be. Surely cases of religious knowledge, claims about ultimate reality are going to be difficult because we are finite creatures trying to comprehend the infinite and will therefore always have a limited perspective, but that cannot neutralize the fact that there is at least a more right, and a more wrong, way to view things.

I bring this up because I know that in my conversations on this board, as well as with many other intellectual Mormons who I know, taking a relativistic approach to epistemology is a common way to approach things. The fact that so many Mormons would so quickly do this, as I once did, is reason enough for me to suspect that reflective Mormons know their truth claims are not so easy to defend.
 
Let me add, I know that many Mormons will look at this and think “people in glass houses should not throw stones.” It is true that it is hard, even impossible, to prove every aspect of Christian faith. However, I argue that the fact that we can prove that the ancient Israelite people existed in the regions the Bible claims, although I cannot prove that Abraham, for example, existed, makes all the difference in the world. I have no reason to suspect the Bible is the work of a single author set on deception, in fact you would be insane to claim it was the work of a single religious leaders trying to start up a new religion. On the other hand, unfortunately, I have many reasons to suspect that is the case with the BoM. Hence a simplistic equation of the BoM difficulties with the difficulties inherent in providing evidence for all of the biblical events does not capture the spirit of the problem.
 
Does the theory of social knowledge claim all knowledge is social? What I’m thinking is “How did we get to the moon?” if this is the case.
Well, exactly. That’s the problem with these sorts of thoroughly relativistic types of claims, not only do they undermine themselves they must make the claim that a random tribal way of understanding nature is just as valid as Newtonian physics, which is on the face of it absurdity.
 
Well, exactly. That’s the problem with these sorts of thoroughly relativistic types of claims, not only do they undermine themselves they must make the claim that a random tribal way of understanding nature is just as valid as Newtonian physics, which is on the face of it absurdity.
I believe there are three sides to every story: his side, her side, and the truth. I assume that where his side overlaps with her side there would be part of the truth. What I find frustrating in conversations with Mormons is they seem to take this idea and declare there is no real knowledge/truth so we are free to make up our own. This new knowledge/truth is then claimed to be supported by faith. Faith alone.
 
… Social knowledge theory basically says that to claim to know something is a special claim because by saying ‘know’ we claim a certain level of respectability to our claim. The things we ‘know’ we know not because of some standard of object evidence, there is no such thing, but rather has everything to do with the groups we run around in. …
How do we know that’s what knowledge is? It’s not what anyone I know believes it is. 😃
 
sey lol, true :). I known people who are probably close to this position,b ut I don’t identify with their circle and therefore, according to the theory, accept the very theory of knowledge which predicts that I will reject it for tha treason… … uhhh… maybe if I start hanging out with the COOL kids…
I believe there are three sides to every story: his side, her side, and the truth. I assume that where his side overlaps with her side there would be part of the truth. What I find frustrating in conversations with Mormons is they seem to take this idea and declare there is no real knowledge/truth so we are free to make up our own. This new knowledge/truth is then claimed to be supported by faith. Faith alone.
Exactly right! The interesting thing is that this is precisely what I did as a Mormon. I was at the very core and unshakable skeptic convinced that in a sense I had to patch together my own worldview by picking and choosing what I could, and based on a handful of personal experiences I decided I would interpret them in a Mormon way and try to build up a ‘hope’ for Mormon truth claims that way. My apologetics as a Mormon consisted of using typical skeptical arguments to try to break down anyone else’s truth claims so at the least they’d have a hard time critiquiing mine. I saw this a lot with Mormons all across the spectrum, Mormons who at some level knew that the totality of Mormon claims were beyond being completely believable.

I could go on and on but I’ll stop myself 🙂
 
Exactly right! The interesting thing is that this is precisely what I did as a Mormon. I was at the very core and unshakable skeptic convinced that in a sense I had to patch together my own worldview by picking and choosing what I could, and based on a handful of personal experiences I decided I would interpret them in a Mormon way and try to build up a ‘hope’ for Mormon truth claims that way. ** My apologetics as a Mormon consisted of using typical skeptical arguments to try to break down anyone else’s truth claims so at the least they’d have a hard time critiquing mine.** I saw this a lot with Mormons all across the spectrum, Mormons who at some level knew that the totality of Mormon claims were beyond being completely believable.

I could go on and on but I’ll stop myself 🙂
You have providing great insight. I could never understand the Mormon logic of attacking the Bible to defend the Book of Mormon. Or by attacking the character of a 10th century Pope; Joseph Smith becomes the example of high morals. I assumed it was a strained attempt at an analogy, but maybe not.
 
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