Errors in the Qur'an

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I have finished reading the Islamic holy scripture known as the Noble Qur’an and have found many errors in the text.

It seems that Mary the Theotokos is confused with Moses’s sister Miriam whose name is identical with Mary’s in Arabic. See Qur’an 19:27-35 and Qur’an 3:35-45.

Not only that but I have also found that in the Qur’an, Mary is thought to be the third person in the Trinity instead of the Holy Spirit. See Qur’an 5:116-117 and Qur’an 4:171.

Interestingly, the Qur’an seems to have no idea what Jews and Christians considered a prophet to be. It seems to think that there was a single book called the Injil (Gospel) revealed to Jesus just as the Qur’an is said to be revealed to Muhammad when Christians don’t believe in this at all, instead there are the four gospels which are nothing like the Qur’an since the gospels are biographies of Jesus which make absolutley no mention or hint at Jesus receiving any kind of “book” from God. See Qur’an 19:30, Qur’an 5:46-68, and Qur’an 7:157.

Again, the Qur’an seems to believe David also received a book, the Zabur (Psalms), even though once again the Psalms are nothing like the Qur’an but are songs composed by David as well as others like the sons of Korah, Ethan, Heman, Asaph, Solomon, Moses, and many are completely anonymous. See Qur’an 4:163, Qur’an 17:55, and Qur’an Qur’an 21:105.

And again it says the same thing with the Torah being a book revealed to Moses although this is slightly more complicated. Jews and Christians generally agree that Moses (and partially Joshua in the last verses of the Torah) wrote the Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). Something like the 10 commandments and the laws and customs were directly revealed to Moses by God on Mt. Sinai but ultimately it was humans who wrote the Torah. There is also the issue of the Oral Torah which Jews consider to be as equally binding with the written Torah; the Oral Torah is really just the unwritten portion of the Torah in Judaism. Though of course Christians generally see the Torah as no longer binding (not that it was ever binding on gentiles) and the idea of there being an Oral Torah in Christianity is questionable at best. See Qur’an 5:44-45 and Qur’an 5:110.
 
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So it seems that the Qur’an doesn’t actually understand the Judeo-Christian idea of what a prophet actually is. The Qur’an calls figures like Adam a prophet (Qur’an 3:33). It’s funny because the Qur’an never actually says the Jewish and Christian scriptures are corrupt, it actually affirms them (Qur’an 5:46)! Never does it even condemn St. Paul or any of his works though Muslims generally believe it was St. Paul who corrupted Jesus’s message and created Christianity. We know that it was only later Muslims exegetes who came up with this notion, in fact early Muslim exegetes believed Paul was a true disciple of God (see Al-Qurtubi for example). Only when Muslims began having access to the Bible did they see how much it contradicted the Qur’an, and around the times when ahadith and sunnah were being written down (about 150-200 years after Muhammad’s death) it started to become incorporated into Islamic orthodoxy yet even then and now there are sectarian disputes in the Islamic world.

The fact of the matter is that the Qur’an is not divine. It is the product of Muhammad’s mentally ill mind. After reading it completely most of it seems like the incoherent ramblings of a man who was very frustrated. Allah is really just an extension of Muhammad’s ego. It’s possible he was delusional or perhaps epilepsy but likely a lot of anxiety. I have even listened to the Arabic Qur’an which many Muslims argue is the “true” Qur’an. I hear nothing remarkable. Some sets of verses in some chapters have a distinctive rhyming pattern to them but its really unremarkable and indeed linguistically it is not much different from pre-Islamic poetry (there is also some evidence of Syriac/Aramaic liturgical language as well), that is why Muhammad was accused of being a poet by the people of Mecca. See Qur’an 37:36, Qur’an 21:5, and Qur’an 52:30.
“And let the People of the Injil (Gospel) judge by what Allah (God) has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah (God) has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.” - Qur’an 5:37
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Ok Qur’an, I accept your challenge. . . .

Amen.
 
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YHWH_Christ said:
Ok Qur’an, I accept your challenge. And judging by the whole Gospel, which is the grace of the new covenant, I find that you are not of God. You have no authority, no power, nothing.

Amen.
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Good gracious. 🤦‍♂️ You identify as Orthodox Christian. How many Orthodox are there in the world? Less than 300 million, is that right? How many Muslims are there? A little less than 2 billion, it seems. All of Christendom barely exceeds 2 billion, worldwide. And we’re now around 7.7B folks the world over.

Moreover, you’ve taken the sacred writings of a religion and noted its many “errors.” You’ve said it’s not divine and has a mentally ill (delusional, epileptic?) author as its source. I mean, WOW! I really don’t know how this is any different from an atheist vilifying the “God of the Old Testament” as capricious, cruel, racist and genocidal. I’m serious. I see no qualitative distinction between what you’re doing in attacking the sacred writings of a massive world-religion and the atheist who comes on CAF and does the same to Catholicism.

You say that the Qur’an has
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no authority, no power, nothing
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Then, how do you account for its success? There are almost 2B adherents world-wide. They’re all a bunch of dummies? Duped? Uneducated? That sounds awfully imperialistic or triumphalistic to me! They can’t see what’s so obvious in the Qur’an to you that you somehow have privileged access to?

This is preposterous. It’s all well and good to attack a religion no longer in existence, I suppose (Greek mythological deities), but attacking an extant religion of enormous influence and importance?! What is the point?!! You want “Orthodoxy” to emerge as the winner among the world religions? Is that likely with your current Orthodox population relative to the overall global population? And, more importantly, why is it necessary to tear down another religion in order to make yours shine?

Please listen. I do believe that Christianity is the “fullness of the faith,” by which I mean that it possesses more truth, goodness and beauty than any other religion. But, I see no good reason to deny the truth, goodness and beauty in other religions!! You can think yours is “best,” without feeling a need to tear apart all the others.

Thanks be to God that in the 1960’s the Catholic Church had the wisdom to pen these words,
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. -Lumen Gentium 16
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isnt this disrespectful to another religion and in this forum?
 
I don’t consider this thread to be disrespectful here, it’s not an Islamic forum.
I appreciate you posting your findings and expressing your opinion.
 
Pai_Nosso said:
I don’t consider this thread to be disrespectful here, it’s not an Islamic forum.
I appreciate you posting your findings and expressing your opinion.
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This is the non catholic forum. TOS
  1. Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board. Catholics must be respectful of the legitimate religious preferences and practices of their fellow Catholics.
 
If you get the chance, read the Catholic encyclopedia on Islam, really interesting.
 
YHWH_Christ said:
Not only that but I have also found that in the Qur’an, Mary is thought to be the third person in the Trinity instead of the Holy Spirit. See Qur’an 5:116-117 and Qur’an 4:171
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When I read through the Koran…this was very eye opening to me. Allah is supposed to be all powerful, yet he didn’t understand the Christian concept of the Holy Trinity. Islam is a man made religion if there has ever been one.
 
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Hmmm. The Bible s accurate. The Koran contradicts the Bible. Therefore the Koran is inaccurate and not God-given. Hmmm. Harry Potter is accurate. Harry Potter contradicts the Bible. Therefore the Bible is inaccurate.
 
Doesn’t mention muslims at all. Just about how Catholics treat other Catholics.
Dominus vobiscum
 
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Agnus-Dei said:
Doesn’t mention muslims at all. Just about how Catholics treat other Catholics.
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You are correct , I left out #6 by poor editing.

Here it is
  1. Catholics must be charitable in their discussions about non-Catholic belief and practice.
And especially in this sub forum .
 
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Whoopsie! It is early in the morning.
Since this is a Catholic forum, and those here believe it is the correct way, pointing out the incorrect parts of another belief system seems permissible.
Tiptoeing around the differences probably wouldn’t convey the ideas clearly anyway. I did find it interesting, and now have to go to my bookmarked digital koran to look things up for myself.
Dominus vobiscum
 
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YHWH_Christ said:
Again, the Qur’an seems to believe David also received a book, the Zabur (Psalms), even though once again the Psalms are nothing like the Qur’an but are songs composed by David
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Some people just think a book jusy came from Heaven just like that but in fact it did not.
The 4 Gospels were written by people who had some human experience and did the best they could to write things down.
Nothing just came down to Heaven just like that.
I doubt that Satan dictated the Quran. He probably inspiree confusion but humans wrote ot down using their confusion as a guide.
The Gospel were qritten down with the help of the Church and the Holy Ghost.
 
As a Catholic, I am more concerned about those who do not follow the tenets of our faith, then I am who follow the teaching and writings of others.
 
To those who consider this thread disrespectful if Islam, why would anyone expect Catholics to not believe the Qur’an has many errors in it? If we believed otherwise, we would all be Muslim. How is pointing out these errors on a Catholic forum the least bit disrespectful.

What would be disrespectful is to pretend it’s all error free, just in an effort to get along. Muslims know we don’t think that is the case, pretending it is is patronizing.
 
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To those who consider this thread disrespectful if Islam,
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I’ll take a whack at it. The OP has edited the original posting, to tone it down, as you can see from my initial response above. Originally, there was a claim that the Qur’an has “no authority, no power, nothing.” Not only is that inflammatory and unnecessary, it is precisely untrue. I think that Christians need to slow down a bit and ask themselves what accounts for the success of this religion. If Islamic sacred writings are merely the product of a mentally ill person with many errors within, how could there be almost 2,000,000,000 adherents?

I think that a reasonable person would think that there must be a substantial amount of truth and goodness within the sacred writings of Muslims and within the moral tradition that they advocate. Consider for a moment the five pillars of Sunni Islam, which are believed to come forth from the Qur’an itself. Who among us would argue that these pillars are unholy ways of living? In fact, all five of these are things that we Catholics in fact do ourselves, at least when considered most broadly (profession of faith, almsgiving, prayer, fasting during certain times of the year, and making pilgrimages to holy sites). That is to say, these five pillars foster the living of a holy life. I don’t see anything controversial about any of them.

But I definitely see something controversial about picking up the sacred writings of a religion you don’t belong to, and assuming that those writings are just going to be so simple and straightforward to you that you can analyze them, criticize them, tear them apart without the assistance of the community that produced those sacred writings. What am I getting at? I have seen time and again on these forums atheists and other unbelievers and, in all transparency some Muslims too, do this very same thing to our sacred writings. They just pick up a copy of the Bible, start flipping through it, note some apparent contradictions, and then problem solved!! I guess that religion ain’t true!

As we all know, there are at least five substantial religions on this planet that have staying power. These are the Abrahamic religions and the Vedantic religions. They’ve all been around forever. They also, with the notable exception of Judaism, have massive numbers of adherents. If you want to go around and pick up the sacred writings of other religions with a critical eye, it’s fine to do so, but only in a respectful manner.

More importantly, it’s necessary when criticizing anything to first acknowledge what is true and good about it. That’s just being charitable. As I said above, it is not necessary or good to try to tear down an alternative point of view. It is not a zero-sum game. By no stretch of the imagination does Catholicism have an exclusive hold on all truth, goodness and beauty. These three transcendentals are spread throughout the world and in all the major religions. Why? Because God loves us all unconditionally and lets His truth and goodness spread far and wide.
 
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…I’ll take a whack at it.
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Excellent post.

I become equally cross when I see Muslim puritans refer to Christians and Jews as ‘kaffirs’ (by which they mean unbelievers).

According to the Qur’an, Christians and Jews who believe in God, and who do good deeds, are the best of people. They shall have their reward. This is God’s promise (Exalted is He). He does not renege on His promises.

May He bless you for your fairness, and bring you to Himself.
 
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I apologize for the last bit I admit I went a little too far with that but thankfully the moderators fixed that. Thank you and pray for me because I’m a sinner.
 
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