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I’ve been researching a bit about Esoteric (aka Vajrayana, Tantric, Mikkyō) Buddhism recently and I just thought I’d open a thread about it to see what other people think of it and maybe give out some of the little I can glean about it so far, especially since it’s probably not as known in the West as say, Zen or Theravada. Which is actually important, because it’s different from both in a number of ways. (Actually, different schools of Buddhism have these differences in actual philosophy from each other.)
Anyone else interested or can teach me a bit more about it?
Here’s one bit.
I think that the variety of Esoteric Buddhism that’s familiar to more people is the one found in Tibetan Buddhism, whether real or exaggerated (that whole thing about ‘tantric sex’ and whatnot). I’m not exactly sure about the status of Shingon Buddhism from Japan - is it as well-known as the Tibetan tradition?
But lest you think that just because they’re both ‘esoteric’ they are similar to one another, that’s not exactly the case. East Asian (Chinese / Japanese) Esoteric Buddhism and Tibetan Esoteric Buddhism represent different stages of development.
A little history lesson. Scholars generally divide Esoteric Buddhism into three stages: early, middle, and late. The tradition that arrived in China and came to Japan is of the middle stage; esoteric traditions in South Asian countries like Tibet or Nepal are of the late stage. The rise (and fall) of Esoteric Buddhism in India coincided with the ‘revival’ and rise of Hinduism (in other words around AD 400-1000), with which it competed actively. In fact, IIRC Esoteric Buddhism apparently pretty much developed as a reaction against Hinduism: it sought to attract people by adopting ‘heterodox’ Hindu practices, rituals, and concepts. (I think this ties in to the Mahayana Buddhist concept of ‘skillful means’ / ‘skillfulness’ or upaya, where one guides people to enlightenment and liberation by whatever expedient means or tools can be used.)
P.S. Actually, Zen does have a bit of esoteric element in it (mainly in the realm of practices: mantra and dharani - basically a kind of longer mantra - recitation is one). Reason being that (another history lesson) in the year 845, the Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution happened in China, which dealt a heavy blow to Chinese Buddhism (really, only the native Daoism and Confucianism was not affected by the purge; other religious groups in the empire - (Syriac) Christians, Zoroastrians, Manichaeans and Buddhists - were all affected) and pretty much killed the esoteric school there. Esoteric Buddhism ceased to exist as a distinct school of thought of its own in China, and a few of its traditions were absorbed into the schools that did survive - Zen (Chan) being one.
Anyone else interested or can teach me a bit more about it?
Here’s one bit.
I think that the variety of Esoteric Buddhism that’s familiar to more people is the one found in Tibetan Buddhism, whether real or exaggerated (that whole thing about ‘tantric sex’ and whatnot). I’m not exactly sure about the status of Shingon Buddhism from Japan - is it as well-known as the Tibetan tradition?
But lest you think that just because they’re both ‘esoteric’ they are similar to one another, that’s not exactly the case. East Asian (Chinese / Japanese) Esoteric Buddhism and Tibetan Esoteric Buddhism represent different stages of development.
A little history lesson. Scholars generally divide Esoteric Buddhism into three stages: early, middle, and late. The tradition that arrived in China and came to Japan is of the middle stage; esoteric traditions in South Asian countries like Tibet or Nepal are of the late stage. The rise (and fall) of Esoteric Buddhism in India coincided with the ‘revival’ and rise of Hinduism (in other words around AD 400-1000), with which it competed actively. In fact, IIRC Esoteric Buddhism apparently pretty much developed as a reaction against Hinduism: it sought to attract people by adopting ‘heterodox’ Hindu practices, rituals, and concepts. (I think this ties in to the Mahayana Buddhist concept of ‘skillful means’ / ‘skillfulness’ or upaya, where one guides people to enlightenment and liberation by whatever expedient means or tools can be used.)
P.S. Actually, Zen does have a bit of esoteric element in it (mainly in the realm of practices: mantra and dharani - basically a kind of longer mantra - recitation is one). Reason being that (another history lesson) in the year 845, the Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution happened in China, which dealt a heavy blow to Chinese Buddhism (really, only the native Daoism and Confucianism was not affected by the purge; other religious groups in the empire - (Syriac) Christians, Zoroastrians, Manichaeans and Buddhists - were all affected) and pretty much killed the esoteric school there. Esoteric Buddhism ceased to exist as a distinct school of thought of its own in China, and a few of its traditions were absorbed into the schools that did survive - Zen (Chan) being one.