Eternal Hell Fire?

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I was thinking about the eternal hell fire prepared for those who sin mortally,and i thought,maybe the fire is there for eternity,as it will never be put out,but the soul may perhaps not be!

It says the"Eternal hell fire",i agree that the fire will be there for eternity,but maybe not the soul!

Any thoughts?
 
Hi Godsent,

I think the eternity of punishment may have to be taken more literally than the word “fire”. If we suppose that there are souls in hell now, then they cannot suffer from “fire”, since they are bodiless. Hell, as yet, is not a place. It is a state. After the Last Judgment it may be a place. The suffering of the damned is more of a spiritual nature than of a material nature. After the judgment, who knows? Just as Revelation speaks of a new earth and new heaven, so that we may actually dwell on a renewed earth, maybe the damned will continue earning their bread at the sweat of their brow, being suject to sickness but not death.

What do you think?

Verbum
 
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Saint. Faustina Kowalska. Today she is known world-wide as the Saint of the Divine Mercy who in her Diary recorded the revelations given to her by Jesus Christ. As it is written in the Diary, the hell is „a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is. The kinds of tortures I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it – a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger; the fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the company of Satan; the seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies. These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned”.**/SIZE]
 
Think ill have to stick with heaven…how scary does hell sound?..just imagine ending up there!😦
 
Hi Godsent, Matthew 25:46 plainly says eternal punishment.

If you limit the punishment then you must limit the length of heaven based on this verse because both eternal life and eternal punishment use the same words and same verb types.
 
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Hi Godsent, Matthew 25:46 plainly says eternal punishment.

If you limit the punishment then you must limit the length of heaven based on this verse because both eternal life and eternal punishment use the same words and same verb types.

If eternity is a timeless present, then it is without beginning, continuation, past or end - so hell would then be timeless, and futureless. Specifically, a timeless & futureless rubbish heap, like the valley of Hinnom outside Jerusalem.​

 
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The Vision of Hell. As Our Lady spoke these last words, She opened Her hands once more, as She had done during the two previous months.The rays of light seemed to penetrate the earth,and we saw as it were a sea of fire. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselfs together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear.The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknow animals, black and transparent like burning coals.

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“You have seen Hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart…”
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godsent:
I was thinking about the eternal hell fire prepared for those who sin mortally,and i thought,maybe the fire is there for eternity,as it will never be put out,but the soul may perhaps not be!

It says the"Eternal hell fire",i agree that the fire will be there for eternity,but maybe not the soul!

Any thoughts?
Rev 14:11 “The smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever
 
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godsent:
I was thinking about the eternal hell fire prepared for those who sin mortally,and i thought,maybe the fire is there for eternity,as it will never be put out,but the soul may perhaps not be!

It says the"Eternal hell fire",i agree that the fire will be there for eternity,but maybe not the soul!
I see no purpose in perpetual suffering: what good could it possibly achieve? If it is perpetual, then it cannot serve a redemptive purpose.

How would the saved feel in Heaven, knowing that others were in torment? Or would they be effectively lobotomised so that they forgot that their neighbours, friends and family were screaming in agony while they were in bliss?

I suspect that the eternal punishment is likely to be much more final: annihilation.
 
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godsent:
It says the"Eternal hell fire",i agree that the fire will be there for eternity,but maybe not the soul!
The Church has already defined the eternity hell’s punishment for the soul,
Cathechism of the Catholic Church, 1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.”[615] The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
As for hell being a state rather then a place, I’m too not sure. There’s a lot we don’t know about the nature of it, so we can’t say for sure that “its not a place”. But we do know that Heaven (the opposite of hell) can receive corporal bodies, and therefore, it can be described as some sort of place.

When it comes to the fire not being literal because the souls are spiritual and therefore fire can’t hurt them – theologians have held that the nature of the fire is not the same as that on earth. Rather, it’s something specially created by God to inflict pain on the soul (“the pain of sense” it’s called) in order to satisfy divine justice.

Hell serves no purpose other then punishment. The souls there are lost because they rejected God through mortal sin.

So just as God is His infinite mercy in giving the souls that love Him eternal happiness in heaven, He is infinitely just by giving eternal punishment to those who choose to hate Him.

DC.
 
I would recommend that you read C.S. Lewis’s “Mere Christianity”, “The Problem with Pain”, and “The Great Divorce”. Specifically, it gives excellent examples regarding the worries you have over somebody in heaven NOT being able to rejoice because of loved ones in hell.

You may not agree with it, but it will make you think.
 
this is an old thread, but with an interesting thought left unanswered.
I see no purpose in perpetual suffering: what good could it possibly achieve? If it is perpetual, then it cannot serve a redemptive purpose.
Me too don’t see any purpose of eternal punishment.
Isn’t it maybe better to rethink this concept of eternal punishment, so that the word “eternal” is referred to the fact that the condemned souls are burned in hell to a second death, and therefore their life will be lost for “eternity”, rather then the eternal experience of pain?
Is it possible to interpret the Catholic doctrines in that way?
Wouldn’t the eternal death be justice enough? :confused:
 
If a king allowed crimes to go unpunished in his kingdom, if he gave his bounty to all regardless of their faithfulness or their rebellion, would he be respected by his subjects, or would he be regarded with disrespect and contempt?

God does not condemn and damn the wicked, those who absolutely refuse to throw themselves on His loving Mercy must face His eternal Justice. He does not force them to Love Him and those who refuse to do so,choose to hate Him through eternity.

If God were to go against our choice, we would not have free will but would be reduced to being mere slaves or puppets.

While as a parent I want my children to “be happy with God forever in Heaven”, as an adult I want to be free to make my own decisions.

I can’t compel my children, all I can do is pray, fast and sacrifice…and seek consolation that no-one has ever gone to Hell by accident… and put God before my family… and love Him more than I love them.

No-one said it would be easy.
 
If a king allowed crimes to go unpunished in his kingdom, if he gave his bounty to all regardless of their faithfulness or their rebellion, would he be respected by his subjects, or would he be regarded with disrespect and contempt?
However, this is not the question here.
The question here is, is the eternal experience of pain the only just punish, or is simply the eternal (second) death just enough? After the second death no suffering is taking place any more, it is as one has never existed, this is scary too. Although not as scary as being punished forever and ever and ever…
 
I see no purpose in perpetual suffering: what good could it possibly achieve? If it is perpetual, then it cannot serve a redemptive purpose.

How would the saved feel in Heaven, knowing that others were in torment? Or would they be effectively lobotomised so that they forgot that their neighbours, friends and family were screaming in agony while they were in bliss?
If God can handle it, then those in heaven certainly can, for God loved these poor souls more than those in heaven did while on earth. Those in heaven also have been perfected and will fully understand God’s perfect justice.
I suspect that the eternal punishment is likely to be much more final: annihilation.
I’m not sure how total annihilation is much of a punishment seeing how you won’t be conscious to know about it. It’s kind of like not remembering that you fell asleep, but the next thing you know, your alarm clock is ringing. Also, if total annihilation were the ultimate in eternal punishment, then how could it be better for Judas to have never been born? Prior to our conception, we didn’t exist either, but since I don’t recall not existing, I can’t really see it as punishment.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
God is Just. People who don’t understand Hell have no idea of the Infinite act of love nand the Infinite sacrifice that Jesus made for us on the Cross.

The greatest INJUSTICE of all would be if there were no Eternal Hell for people who would rejcet such perfect Infinite love!
 
The greatest INJUSTICE of all would be if there were no Eternal Hell for people who would rejcet such perfect Infinite love!
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Com’ on you know it’s not that easy. Remember only the extraordinary number of religions we have in the world. Remember the naturalists who claim there is no God at all. What if a muslim women sticks to tradition, living whole life in misery because she had bad luck of getting a bad husband. And while living in her unfatih to Christ in this limited amount of time, she deserves the horrible punishment of eternal pain? Is this just? Total annihilation seams to me much better in such case.:hmmm:
 
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Com’ on you know it’s not that easy. Remember only the extraordinary number of religions we have in the world. Remember the naturalists who claim there is no God at all. What if a muslim women sticks to tradition, living whole life in misery because she had bad luck of getting a bad husband. And while living in her unfatih to Christ in this limited amount of time, she deserves the horrible punishment of eternal pain? Is this just? Total annihilation seams to me much better in such case.:hmmm:
But what if you are wrong and here is no “total annihilation”?

What if there really is a place of eternal damnation as has been taught by Christ?

Do you want to risk it? I sure don’t. I would rather believe it now and find out I was wrong when I die, than believe there is no eternal damnation (the warm, fuzzy stuff) and find out later that I was wrong.:eek: Too late!
 
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Com’ on you know it’s not that easy. Remember only the extraordinary number of religions we have in the world. Remember the naturalists who claim there is no God at all. What if a muslim women sticks to tradition, living whole life in misery because she had bad luck of getting a bad husband. And while living in her unfatih to Christ in this limited amount of time, she deserves the horrible punishment of eternal pain? Is this just? Total annihilation seams to me much better in such case.:hmmm:
In my opinion, if God “allows” the existance of Hell, it must be for a purposeful role, or else He would simply anhiliate all those against Him. It seems that scriptures often speak of a duality in nature, such as light and darkness, male and female, and those are seen as being “good”, in the eyes of God.Therefore, Heaven and Hell, ought also be viewed as being “good” in the eyes of God .Scriptures tell us that God is light, but, no one can look at God yet live. However, to be absent from God is also unbearable.We have been created in such a way that we can know God in a limited way in where He becomes a comforter and
a blessing to all of our senses(spiritually speaking)
It is to my opinion that a person in Hell experiences either one of two possible positions; the unbearable presence of God known as the fires of Hell; such a fire is interpreted as being God’s anger since His presence is devestating; however, I would think that His presence is unbearable because the soul demands to know the fullness of God due to it’s pridefull nature.The other condition might be His total absence, identified as total darkness, due to the hatred for God on the part of the soul.
If we take the vision of Sister Faustina’s vision of Hell, it read:

I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it – a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger; the fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the company of Satan; the seventh torture is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.

First, let us understand that Gehenna(Eternal Hell) is to this day empty of any individual, including Satan. Therefore, Sister Faustina must have received a vision of Hades. Also, I would like to add that Sister Faustina was able to see (in a spiritual sense)
the “punishments” which does not necessarily mean that she saw actual “souls” in the process of being punished(although I might be wrong). The first torture is the feeling of “loss of God”. This could be due to simply the fall of humanity.In such a case the soul could receive comfort as well as a promisse for a later redemption, through the final judment of God; therefore, such a soul could be said to be within the regions of Limbo.Perpetual remorse of conscience could be the equivalence of a christian’s purgatory, a place where the soul is being cleansed.Maccabees reads of praying for the dead "in order that they might be loosed from their sins.One thing that I find interesting is that even “Satan” isn’t within the lowest of all regions of punishments, being the region where there is horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies. Would this not present to us a “possibility” that even “Satan” is not to the point of despair, or even at the point of “total hatred for God”? My opinion is that God, in creating us made us in such a way that total hatred for Him would be an impossibility for us to attain. So why all the suffering and evilness? It seems that one can only come to know the true knowledge of what is good(and so also who is God), by receiving the knowledge of what is evil ( what is it like to be absent from God).Adam and Eve were living in Paradise, but in defense to them, they did not know the good they posessed due to the lack of knowledge of what was considered evil.God could not “lead” them towards the tree of knowledge of good and evil, since no evil exists in God, but He “allowed” them to partake of the fruit. . Therefore, if one receives a nature which is doomed to exist in Hell, such a one also receives a “potential” to come to know God in even a greater manner due to one’s incomprehensible sufferings. Hell "“might” be just another road to attain God. Now, since no evil exists in God, He will never lead one towards such a path.However, through suffering, Love can be fostered, and such Love is the Wisdom of God.If Love could “one Day” be forstered in Hell, it would then become superior to Heaven.

Andre
 
Do you want to risk it? I sure don’t. I would rather believe it now and find out I was wrong when I die, than believe there is no eternal damnation (the warm, fuzzy stuff) and find out later that I was wrong.:eek: Too late!
Yes I completely understand what you mean :o :o
As I thought more about it, I found out that this question has a lot to do with the Catholic doctrine of “immortal soul”. For which I had the chance in the past to see some very convincing bible studies, which say that the Catholic doctrine of immortal soul (and therefore also eternal damnation) is not founded at all in Holy Scripture, that the concept of immortal soul actually came from Greek philosophers. Well it was quit convincing to me. Look for yourself:

antipas.org/books/soul/soul_2.html

some citations:
“(in Genesis) THE FIRST FOUR OCCURRENCES OF THE WORD “NEPHESH” (translated later as soul) RELATE EXCLUSIVELY TO ANIMALS.”

“In applying both these words, soul AND spirit, to animals as well as to men, the Scriptures seem to be taking especial care to protect us from erroneous conceptions, if only we will heed and accept its divine guidance, and not depend upon the Greek philosophers against whose teachings the Apostle Paul so bitterly contended and so vehemently warned.”

It’s funny as I thought about this more today, I concluded that rejecting the eternal damnation thing (which disturbs me) and therefore also rejecting the immortal soul thing, one has to reject also the communion of saints thing (at least so it seems to me). For the moment this would damage my Catholic fait too much, but I must admit that recently as I realized that the Catholic Church actually sticks to the doctrine of eternal damnation, it was quite disturbing to me, and somehow disappointing. This just seems so unfair. What should be the fruit of this teaching? Fear? :nope: I am however aware that the easier way doesn’t have to the better way, so for the moment I think I’ll refuse to think about the whole thing at all some time. Instead I’ll just pray. :gopray2:
 
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