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twf
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No, he is not a member of these forums.
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BJRumph
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TOm:
Sorry, but your stated position, both here and in the rest of your post, only reveals that you are the one mistaking the Catholic position. I realize you have spent years meddling with this, but even I can see that you have confused certain points, and created a flawed understanding of what the RCC teaches.
Do you also believe that God changed when creating (or in your belief, “organized”) the World? Do you simply forget that the RCC says the opposite (that God did not “change”, even when creating ex nihilo)? Do you simply not understand the how/why; or is it a concious descision on your part?
You do realize that a change, such as the increased “pleasure” you describe does not change the essence or being of God, right? You do realize that Catholics, even those pesky Theologians, do recognize the personal nature of God, and that He can experience changes in His emotional “state” without having any effect on His eternal, immutable, Nature? Do you really believe that God was unloving before He created us to love, and thereby “changed” into a Loving God? Do you really think that this is the conclusion to be drawn from the RCC position, which as I understand it, is that He created us out of (possibly “because of”) it?
Sorry, but your stated position, both here and in the rest of your post, only reveals that you are the one mistaking the Catholic position. I realize you have spent years meddling with this, but even I can see that you have confused certain points, and created a flawed understanding of what the RCC teaches.
Do you also believe that God changed when creating (or in your belief, “organized”) the World? Do you simply forget that the RCC says the opposite (that God did not “change”, even when creating ex nihilo)? Do you simply not understand the how/why; or is it a concious descision on your part?
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PaulDupre
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This is a tactic only recently employed by LDS. Here we see it used by amgid. It is a new wrinkle on the “I never heard that” dodge that Mormons use to deflect criticism of the teachings of their former leaders.
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amgid
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The doctrine of the eternal nature of God is written all over LDS scripture. The following is a small selection:
Alma 11:
44 … and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.
Moroni 7:
22 For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.
D&C 20:
17 By these things we know that there is a God in heaven, who is infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting the same unchangeable God, the framer of heaven and earth, and all things which are in them;
D&C 76:
4 From eternity to eternity he is the same, and his years never fail.
Moses 1:
3 And God spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I am the Lord God Almighty, and Endless is my name; for I am without beginning of days or end of years; and is not this endless?
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majick275
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twf,
You should be aware that Mormons don’t mean the same thing as Catholics when using terms like “eternal”, “forever” or “always”, etc. Just like they think they are right to claim a belief in only one God, there is a qualifier. (…for THIS world, or for US) here is an example form their scriptures
*D&C 132:
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise•, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones•, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood•, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting• to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods•, because they have call• power, and the angels are subject unto them.*
Notice here that humans now on this earth are told that they can be from “everlasting to everlasting” thus demonstrating a different paradigm when examining “eternity”. They believe their God is an exalted man who once was like us yet they believe he is from “everlasting to everlasting”. It’s kind of like the ministry of truth in Orwells 1984. God is God, he has always been God will one day be used to describe some current LDS members who reach exaltation. (if one actually believed their doctrine of eternal progression)
You should be aware that Mormons don’t mean the same thing as Catholics when using terms like “eternal”, “forever” or “always”, etc. Just like they think they are right to claim a belief in only one God, there is a qualifier. (…for THIS world, or for US) here is an example form their scriptures
*D&C 132:
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise•, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones•, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood•, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting• to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods•, because they have call• power, and the angels are subject unto them.*
Notice here that humans now on this earth are told that they can be from “everlasting to everlasting” thus demonstrating a different paradigm when examining “eternity”. They believe their God is an exalted man who once was like us yet they believe he is from “everlasting to everlasting”. It’s kind of like the ministry of truth in Orwells 1984. God is God, he has always been God will one day be used to describe some current LDS members who reach exaltation. (if one actually believed their doctrine of eternal progression)
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