Ethical Eating (of animals)

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Continuing the discussion from jewish-- why aren't we kosher?:

One of the many reasons I am vegan is because of the inhuman treatment of animals. It is too much to hope for others joining me but are we not all cooperators in the torture.of these animals. So how about at least trying to eat animals that have not been through the farm factory nightmare. A Catholic Kosher, if you will permit. That would involve due diligence in avoiding a share in the maltreatment of the animals slaughtered. That could simply mean eating closer to the source, local farms and ranches. Or perhaps at least taking an interest in where exactly that hamburger, bacon of whatever animal flesh is at your table, came from. And how the animals where treated before butchering.
 
I understand where you are coming from, however for a good percentage of people, eating free-range meat is just too expensive. I can’t be vegan due to blood sugar issues and food intolerances. My only choice is to eat conventional meat…not the most ideal but I gotta do what I gotta do…I’d rather do that than develop diabetes down the road.
 
When I can, I like to buy food at farmers’ markets. Small farms generally don’t have the same inhumane conditions as the large industrialized farms. The food tastes better and I like supporting small business wherever I can.
 
God allows us to eat meat 🥩 but if you feel uncomfortable about eating meat from maltreatment of animals 🐷 you can try some fish. I go on vegetarian 🥕 (not vegan) diet for 6 days a week and reward myself 1 day to eat fish 🐟. We still need meat in our diet because there are some vitamins that you won’t be able to get in a vegan diet.
 
I also understand where you are coming from it bothers me how animals are treated. Actually it bothers me how food is farmed in general and how people/farmers are treated too and how the food is gotten to us and who is exploited along the way in both animal food and plant food. I am to poor to limit my food buying options at all as I already have some health issues and I try to choose better options, but most of the time it is hard enough just getting enough nutrition. I wouldn’t ever give up meat but I would make better choices if I could. So in all honesty I don’t think that you can assume that because people aren’t following a vegan diet they don’t take an interest or care. There are many problems with our food sources and people can only do so much, perhaps they pick other solutions than yours? there are many ways to care
 
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I thought over this very topic a couple of days ago while I prepared my own young roosters for the table.For them there was no fear,I thanked God for the gift of them .I knew exactly how they had been treated .
 
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That would involve due diligence in avoiding a share in the maltreatment of the animals slaughtered. That could simply mean eating closer to the source, local farms and ranches. Or perhaps at least taking an interest in where exactly that hamburger, bacon of whatever animal flesh is at your table, came from. And how the animals where treated before butchering.
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I think most of us here are pretty aware of how bad the industry is, and yet at the same time as others have said, many have no choice. I try to buy organic when I can, but even for us it gets expensive.

Wal-Mart really irritates me in a lot of ways, but they seem to be working hard to bring organic/free range to the masses. That’s really the only reason I even go in there, because much of their stuff is so much less expensive in the organic ranges.

I don’t buy anything other than free range organic eggs, because I don’t think something that’s four bucks that can feed me for a week is expensive. I either make mini-quiches ahead or have a quick scrambled egg in the AM, and a dozen will do a week, Sunday to Sunday.
 
Vegan burgers with guacamole are pretty good, but when you’re starving, only bacon is visible.

I’ll try to reduce red-meat intake though. It’s not a bad idea for a variety of reasons…
 
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Continuing the discussion from jewish-- why aren't we kosher?:

One of the many reasons I am vegan is because of the inhuman treatment of animals. It is too much to hope for others joining me but are we not all cooperators in the torture.of these animals. So how about at least trying to eat animals that have not been through the farm factory nightmare. A Catholic Kosher, if you will permit. That would involve due diligence in avoiding a share in the maltreatment of the animals slaughtered. That could simply mean eating closer to the source, local farms and ranches. Or perhaps at least taking an interest in where exactly that hamburger, bacon of whatever animal flesh is at your table, came from. And how the animals where treated before butchering.
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Excellent points.

The health, moral and environmental aspects of refusing or reducing the consumption of meat products are very clear.

It’s just that bacon is delicious…
 
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Growing your own produce is the best solution. There are other sources of protein than meat.
 
If I were to be vegan it would be because meat tastes too good.
 
Lol, funny.

But I’ve always been interested in Dr. Dean Ornish’s studies on the effect that a meatless diet has on people. Apparently when the Nazis confiscated all the livestock and basically left the Scandinavians with potatoes, heart attack rates plummeted for the duration of the war.
 
Salami has an almost indefinite shelf life.

Hang it from the ceiling; no refrigeration needed.
 
There is nothing unethical about eating food. God created animals to be eaten. That is why there is a food chain.
 
Bad practices on slaughtering animals doesn’t make eating meat unethical.

Correct the bad practices is the better option.

Some groups like PETA, if they ever got their way, would put the world into a famine as farms would collapse.

PETA put a Trappist Monastery out of the chicken business as they drummed up false accusations against the Monastery and held protest outside of their gate. The monks decided they couldn’t afford the legal cost to fight them, so they gave up the business and moved onto another industry.

Jim
 
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What does this have to do with whether it is ethical to eat an egg?
 
Yeppers.

Their kill count is very high on animals brought into their shelter. Something like 95.9% kill rate.
 
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